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[0:00] hearing this. So, we had two polls on
[0:01] the consent agenda. One was C30.
[0:03] Um if I could have
[0:06] someone from staff to just talk about
[0:07] this agenda item.
[0:15] >> Good afternoon. Josh Wed, public
[0:17] infrastructure fiscal and business
[0:18] administration.
[0:20] >> Okay.
[0:23] >> Yeah.
[0:24] So, um
[0:25] yes, commissioners. So, this item is
[0:28] just simply uh an intent to acquire
[0:31] uh that we are presenting to
[0:34] um from Pasco County to the Florida
[0:37] Government Utility Authority. So, it's
[0:39] essentially us signaling to their board
[0:41] that we intend to acquire the
[0:43] consolidated system.
[0:44] >> Okay. And with that said, as a as a
[0:46] member of the board, we have the
[0:48] representation. Anytime the commission
[0:50] asked for this, we're granted it. And
[0:52] we've had several successes already.
[0:54] Um and I want to just remind people the
[0:56] reason we joined this Florida
[0:58] Governmental Utility Authority was
[0:59] because of troubled private water water
[1:01] systems.
[1:02] Um I think this morning we also heard
[1:05] and I I hope you got a copy of that file
[1:07] about Hudson Water Works the things that
[1:09] are going on there. And I know we're
[1:11] looking at that as far as coming up, but
[1:13] this might give you some extra
[1:14] ammunition to go with it, but I
[1:15] appreciate what you're doing with this
[1:16] here. I think it's a great idea.
[1:17] >> Yes, Chairman. Thank you. And I and I
[1:19] will I'll take note of that from this
[1:21] morning. Thank you.
[1:22] >> All right. Can I have a motion for
[1:23] approval?
[1:24] >> I move to approve.
[1:25] >> Commissioner Starkey's on the line.
[1:27] >> She's online. I'm sorry. Yes.
[1:29] >> We need a roll call.
[1:30] >> Okay. Need a I got a motion. Do I need a
[1:31] other second?
[1:33] >> Second.
[1:34] >> All right. Roll call vote.
[1:35] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[1:37] >> Aye.
[1:38] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[1:39] >> Aye.
[1:39] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[1:42] >> Aye.
[1:43] >> District 4, Commissioner Yager.
[1:44] >> Aye.
[1:45] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[1:46] >> Aye. Motion passes. Thank you. And C37,
[1:49] Commissioner Whitman.
[1:49] >> Thank you.
[1:51] Anybody here like pickleball?
[1:53] >> [laughter]
[1:53] >> Heard of it before?
[1:55] >> Everybody.
[1:55] >> Become a cult-like sport. Almost.
[1:59] But uh no, um
[2:01] want to pull C-37
[2:03] recognize the pickleball courts that are
[2:05] soon to be in construction and underway
[2:07] at Wesley-Chapel District Park. It's
[2:09] been a long time coming, couple years in
[2:11] the making. And exciting addition
[2:15] to our park system in East Pasco County.
[2:17] And with that,
[2:19] move approval.
[2:20] >> Second.
[2:21] >> All in favor say aye.
[2:22] >> Aye.
[2:22] >> Roll call. Roll call. Sorry.
[2:24] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[2:26] >> Aye.
[2:26] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[2:27] >> Aye.
[2:28] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[2:31] >> Aye.
[2:32] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager.
[2:33] >> Aye.
[2:33] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[2:35] >> Aye.
[2:38] >> We'll now proceed with the public
[2:39] hearings starting with ordinances, item
[2:41] P-44.
[2:43] >> Noted, board.
[2:44] >> Let me read the publication, P-44.
[2:47] Tampa Bay Times, March 4th, 2026. The
[2:50] item was continued from the June 2nd,
[2:52] 2026 BCC meeting to today.
[2:56] >> Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. Nick
[2:57] Dalias Petos, Planning Development and
[2:58] Economic Growth Department. Item P-44 is
[3:01] PDE 26-0446.
[3:03] This is an ordinance by the Pasco County
[3:04] Board of County Commissioners amending
[3:06] the Pasco County Land Development Code
[3:08] regarding the parking or storing of
[3:10] recreational vehicles, etc. This item is
[3:12] being requested to be continued to a
[3:14] date uncertain.
[3:16] >> Move to a date uncertain.
[3:18] >> Second.
[3:19] >> Okay, motion and second. Roll call.
[3:22] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[3:23] >> Aye.
[3:24] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[3:25] >> Aye.
[3:25] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[3:28] >> Aye.
[3:29] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager.
[3:30] >> Aye.
[3:31] >> District 5, [clears throat] Chairman
[3:32] Mariano.
[3:32] >> Aye.
[3:34] >> Item P-45.
[3:36] >> P-45 was advertised in the Tampa Bay
[3:38] Times, August 5th, 2026. [clears throat]
[3:42] >> Item P-45 is PDE 26-0587.
[3:44] This is an ordinance amending Pasco
[3:46] County Ordinance No. 2454 contracting
[3:48] and expanding the boundaries of Angeline
[3:50] Community Development District
[3:52] pursuant to chapter 190 Florida
[3:54] Statutes, providing for miscellaneous
[3:55] provisions, providing for an effective
[3:56] date. This comes to you with with a
[3:58] recommendation to accept public comment
[4:00] and adopt the ordinance by roll call
[4:02] vote.
[4:03] >> [clears throat]
[4:04] >> We have nobody signed up.
[4:05] >> No one signed up? Okay.
[4:07] To the board.
[4:08] >> Move approval.
[4:08] >> Second.
[4:11] >> And roll call vote.
[4:12] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[4:13] >> Aye.
[4:14] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[4:15] >> Aye.
[4:15] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[4:19] >> Aye.
[4:19] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager.
[4:21] >> Aye.
[4:21] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[4:23] >> Aye.
[4:24] >> Motion passes 5-0. [clears throat] Item
[4:25] P46.
[4:26] >> P46 was advertised in the Tampa Bay
[4:28] Times, August 5th, 2026.
[4:31] >> Item P46 is PDE 26-0588. This is an
[4:35] ordinance amending Pasco County
[4:36] Ordinance number 2502,
[4:38] contracting the boundaries of North AR1
[4:41] of Pasco Community Development District
[4:43] pursuant to chapter 190 Florida
[4:44] Statutes, providing for miscellaneous
[4:46] provisions, providing for an effective
[4:47] date. And this comes with a
[4:49] recommendation to accept public comment
[4:51] and adopt the ordinance by roll call
[4:52] vote.
[4:53] Okay.
[4:56] Let's go to the board.
[4:56] >> up for
[4:57] >> Any comments?
[4:58] >> Any comments? No one signed up?
[4:59] >> No one signed up.
[5:00] >> Move approval.
[5:01] >> Second.
[5:03] >> We have a motion and a second. Roll call
[5:04] vote.
[5:04] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[5:06] >> Aye.
[5:06] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[5:08] >> Aye.
[5:08] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[5:11] >> Aye.
[5:11] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager.
[5:13] >> Aye.
[5:13] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[5:15] >> Aye.
[5:17] >> And item P47.
[5:18] >> P47 was ad- This item was advertised by
[5:21] affidavit of certified mailings and site
[5:22] postings.
[5:23] >> All right. And Mr. [clears throat]
[5:24] County Attorney, would you explain the
[5:25] procedures?
[5:26] >> I don't know if I'm doing anything
[5:27] anymore, remember?
[5:28] >> Well, they didn't change my script yet.
[5:30] Okay. All right, we'll skip that.
[5:32] Okay. Uh so, we have three items that
[5:34] are continuances. Start with P47.
[5:37] >> Item P47 is PDE 26 CU06.
[5:40] This is a conditional use request in the
[5:43] name of Dennis And Anna Yorgi Caulfield
[5:45] Road Residential Treatment and Care
[5:46] Facility.
[5:48] It's a conditional use for an assisted
[5:49] living facility in an AR agricultural
[5:51] residential district in the
[5:53] uh North Pasco County area. This is
[5:56] comes to you with recommendation to
[5:57] continue to a date uncertain.
[6:01] >> Is there a motion to continue?
[6:01] >> Move to approve and continue.
[6:03] >> Second.
[6:05] >> Roll call vote.
[6:05] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[6:07] >> Aye.
[6:07] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[6:09] >> Aye.
[6:10] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[6:13] >> Aye.
[6:13] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager.
[6:15] >> Aye.
[6:15] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[6:18] >> Aye.
[6:19] >> Item P48.
[6:20] >> P48 was advertised in the Tampa Bay
[6:22] Times, July 8th, 2026 and by affidavit
[6:25] of certified mailings and site postings.
[6:28] >> Uh Item P48 is PD 267911. This is a
[6:32] zoning amendment in the name of HCM
[6:34] Hospitality LLC, Harbor Point at Port
[6:36] Richey MPUD Master Planned Unit
[6:38] Development. It's a rezoning request
[6:40] from C2 general commercial district and
[6:42] MF1 multi-fam multiple family medium
[6:44] density district to an MPUD Master
[6:46] Planned Unit Development. This comes
[6:48] with a recommendation to continue to a
[6:49] date uncertain.
[6:51] >> A motion to continue.
[6:52] >> Move to continue.
[6:54] >> Second.
[6:55] >> Roll call vote.
[6:56] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[6:58] >> Aye.
[6:58] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[6:59] >> Aye.
[7:00] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[7:03] >> Aye.
[7:03] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager.
[7:05] >> Aye.
[7:05] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[7:07] >> Aye.
[7:08] >> Item P49.
[7:09] >> P49 was advertised in the Tampa Bay
[7:11] Times, July 8th, 2026 and by affidavit
[7:13] of certified mailings and site postings.
[7:17] >> Item P49 is PD 267926.
[7:20] This is a zoning amendment in the name
[7:21] of Land Lark LLC, Kitten Trail Farms.
[7:25] It's a change in zoning from an AC
[7:26] agricultural district to an AR
[7:28] agricultural residential district in
[7:30] Northwest Pasco County on the south side
[7:32] of Kitten Trail, approximately 1 mile
[7:34] east from the intersection of Kitten
[7:35] Trail and Hicks Road, containing
[7:37] approximately 14.57 acres. This comes
[7:39] with the recommendation to continue the
[7:41] item to September 22, 2026 at 1:30 p.m.
[7:45] or as soon thereafter as they may be
[7:46] heard at New Port Richey.
[7:48] >> Moved to continue.
[7:49] >> Second.
[7:51] >> Roll call vote.
[7:52] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[7:53] >> Aye.
[7:54] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[7:55] >> Aye.
[7:55] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[7:59] >> Aye.
[7:59] >> District 4, Commissioner [clears throat]
[8:00] Yeager.
[8:01] >> Aye.
[8:01] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[8:03] >> Aye.
[8:04] >> Okay.
[8:05] And now we'll go to the consent agenda,
[8:07] item P50.
[8:10] Do you approve?
[8:11] >> Approved publication is Tampa Bay Times,
[8:12] July 8th, 2026.
[8:15] >> Item P50 is PD 26-0408.
[8:18] This is a development of regional impact
[8:20] DRI amendment in the name of Mitchell
[8:22] Ranch Plaza DRI Target Corporation. It's
[8:25] a resolution amending the development
[8:27] order for the Mitchell Ranch Plaza DRI
[8:29] number 243, amending the boundaries of
[8:32] the DO to remove a parcel for
[8:34] development. And this comes with a
[8:35] recommendation to approve the resolution
[8:37] amending the boundaries of the
[8:38] development order for the Mitchell Ranch
[8:40] Plaza DRI number 243.
[8:43] >> Is there anyone here in the audience or
[8:45] online to speak against this item?
[8:48] >> No one signed up.
[8:49] >> Okay. I don't see any hands here.
[8:50] >> Jack, I'd like to speak about this item
[8:53] real quick.
[8:54] >> Pull it.
[8:55] You want to pull it or just make a quick
[8:56] comment?
[8:58] >> Yeah, um I just want to say uh this was
[9:01] kind of my impetus to get this started
[9:04] and I think we should look all over the
[9:07] county for these opportunities because
[9:09] we had a lot of parking lot space that
[9:12] was going wasted due to old parking
[9:15] requirements and now
[9:17] um we'll be able to help another other
[9:19] business
[9:20] uh in the in the Mitchell um Plaza.
[9:24] So, um this is this is good policy and
[9:26] we should be looking around the county
[9:27] where we can get this going again.
[9:30] >> Okay.
[9:30] Thank you. And we'll leave it on
[9:31] consent. Item P51, do you approve?
[9:34] >> P51, Tampa Bay Times, May 27th, 2026,
[9:38] and by affidavit of certified mailings
[9:40] and site postings, the item was
[9:42] continued from August 11th, 2026 BCC
[9:45] meeting to today. We have several signed
[9:47] up to speak.
[9:48] >> Okay, so we're going to have some
[9:49] speakers to that. Is anyone here to
[9:51] speak against item P-51?
[9:54] Okay, then we'll pull it.
[9:59] Item P-52.
[10:01] >> P-52 was advertised in the Tampa Bay
[10:03] Times, July 8th, 2026, and by affidavit
[10:05] of certified mailings and site postings.
[10:08] >> Item P-52 is PDE 26-7914.
[10:11] This is a zoning amendment to the name
[10:13] of 7026 Little Road, Roosevelt Commons,
[10:16] LLC. It's a change in zoning from an R-4
[10:19] high-density residential district C-1
[10:21] neighborhood commercial district and AC
[10:23] agricultural district to a C-2 general
[10:25] commercial commercial district in West
[10:27] Pasco County at the northeast corner of
[10:30] the intersection of Little Road and
[10:31] DeCubellis Road containing approximately
[10:33] 2.3 acres. This comes with the
[10:35] recommendation to approve the zoning
[10:37] amendment.
[10:38] Okay.
[10:39] >> I
[10:39] I have discussion on this before we move
[10:42] to approve it.
[10:42] >> Okay, go ahead.
[10:43] >> Um so this parcel
[10:46] if I'm not wrong, this is this this is
[10:48] by DeCubellis, right?
[10:50] >> At the northeast corner.
[10:51] >> Yep. So
[10:53] I just want to throw it out there. If we
[10:55] approve this like this, we will have
[10:58] three of the four corners that will be
[11:00] brownfields. So they can put a gas
[11:02] station there. So they'll have the
[11:04] 7-Eleven there, there's a gas station on
[11:05] the other corner, and now they can put a
[11:07] gas station there. So we're we would
[11:09] have three out of the four corners
[11:12] gas stations and also brownfields. So I
[11:15] personally am not for that. We're going
[11:18] to have Newport Corners down the street.
[11:20] I'd love to see something else there.
[11:22] And then too, when these people go out
[11:24] of business they're going to have to do
[11:26] all the environmental things just to get
[11:27] the the property back up. So I'm I'm not
[11:30] in favor of it.
[11:31] >> Commissioner Yeager, we're going to pull
[11:32] it and we'll have a discussion and we'll
[11:33] have a little full presentation on it.
[11:34] >> Right.
[11:35] >> Okay, so that will bring us back
[11:37] actually to item P53.
[11:39] >> P53, proof of publication, Tampa Bay
[11:42] Times, July 8th, 2026, and by affidavit
[11:45] of certified mailings and site postings.
[11:47] >> one.
[11:48] >> Item P53 SPD 267934. This is a zoning
[11:51] amendment in the name of the Feedco
[11:54] Grace Hay Company Incorporated. Uh
[11:56] change in zoning from an AR agricultural
[11:58] residential district to a C2 general
[12:00] commercial in West in West Central Pasco
[12:02] County, approximately 600 ft east of
[12:05] Choctaw Trail and north of State Road
[12:08] 52, containing approximately 1.26 acres.
[12:11] This comes with the recommendation to
[12:12] approve the zoning amendment.
[12:14] >> Okay. Is there anyone in the audience or
[12:16] online here to speak against this item
[12:18] P53?
[12:19] >> No one has signed up.
[12:21] >> I don't see anyone in the audience, so
[12:23] we'll leave that on consent.
[12:24] So, our two items on consent
[12:27] >> Move approval.
[12:28] >> Second.
[12:30] >> All in favor say uh roll call vote.
[12:32] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[12:33] >> Aye.
[12:34] >> District 2, Commissioner Whitman.
[12:35] >> Aye.
[12:36] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[12:39] >> Aye.
[12:39] >> District 4, Commissioner Yager.
[12:41] >> Aye.
[12:41] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano.
[12:43] >> Aye.
[12:45] >> Okay, so we'll go back to P51. Staff
[12:47] would like to present.
[13:07] >> Good afternoon. Amy Tolle with Planning
[13:09] Development and Economic Growth. Um just
[13:11] for the record, item P51, there were ex
[13:14] partes that were sent to the clerk's
[13:16] office this morning, and we did receive
[13:18] a letter of opposition that we submitted
[13:19] as well.
[13:22] So, this item is a rezoning petition
[13:25] from a Euclidean rezoning from AR
[13:27] agricultural residential district to R4
[13:29] high-density residential district. The
[13:31] future land use is RES-3 residential
[13:33] three dwelling units per gross acre, and
[13:36] the applicant proposes to develop the
[13:37] property with a maximum of 77
[13:39] single-family detached homes located on
[13:42] the west side of Kent Road Drive
[13:44] approximately 1 mile north of State Road
[13:46] 52.
[13:48] Here's a general location of the county
[13:50] map. It is located within the central
[13:52] market area.
[13:55] Here's an aerial view of the subject
[13:57] site.
[14:00] A context map showing proximity to
[14:03] various MPDs being Talavera to the east,
[14:06] uh 52 Groves to the south. We've got
[14:08] Greenfields over along um Shady Hills
[14:11] Road, and as you can see it is north of
[14:14] State Road 52 just west of uh 41.
[14:20] Future land use is RES-3 residential
[14:22] three.
[14:25] And the existing zoning is AR
[14:27] agricultural residential.
[14:31] And the proposed zoning is R4
[14:33] high-density residential district.
[14:37] Some of the findings of fact, the
[14:38] subject site does consist of
[14:40] approximately 40.96 acres developed with
[14:43] one single-family mobile home on
[14:45] approximately 10 acres. There's a
[14:47] category one wetland. Uh the proposed
[14:49] access to the property is from Kent Road
[14:51] Drive, a residential county maintained
[14:53] roadway with approximately 30 ft of
[14:55] right-of-way. There's an additional 20
[14:57] ft of right-of-way that will be
[14:59] dedicated, and current access is via
[15:01] Hamlin Road, a 25-ft wide privately
[15:04] owned and maintained easement.
[15:06] The applicant volunteered into a deed
[15:08] restriction that is in the packet, uh to
[15:11] uh cap the density at 77 dwelling units,
[15:14] um resulting in a gross density of under
[15:16] three dwelling units per gross acre,
[15:18] which is what the future land use would
[15:19] have permitted. The uh deed restriction
[15:22] also has a $375,000
[15:25] contribution to Kent Grove Drive
[15:27] improvements, which was uh previously
[15:30] discussed and agreed upon between public
[15:33] works and uh the applicant to contribute
[15:36] that for the roadway improvements.
[15:38] There's a railroad disclosure warning to
[15:40] potential noise, smell, and visual
[15:42] impacts to the owners of the properties
[15:45] when it's platted. Uh and then monotony
[15:48] controls and additional landscaping and
[15:50] buffering requirements were also
[15:51] imposed. Uh subject site is not adjacent
[15:54] to any trails, and there's a 10-ft wide
[15:57] multi-use path about 1 mile south of the
[15:59] subject site along State Road 52.
[16:02] And with that, we we recommend approval
[16:04] of the requested zoning amendment. And
[16:06] I'd be happy to answer any additional
[16:07] questions you may have.
[16:09] >> Amy, could you address um we've received
[16:11] an objection about the notice.
[16:13] >> Correct. Yes. Um so, we did receive an
[16:16] objection about the notice. Uh the
[16:18] objection stated that Talavera uh
[16:20] request to have the entire Talavera to
[16:23] be noticed. We did confirm that the
[16:25] noticing that was submitted um is in
[16:27] accordance with our code. Uh they
[16:29] submitted within or they were required
[16:31] to notice within 500 ft. They noticed
[16:33] within 500 ft. Two of the Talavera
[16:36] properties fell within that 500 ft,
[16:39] which were owned by the CDD, and they
[16:41] were noticed.
[16:44] >> Okay. And were designs were posted in
[16:46] accordance with the code as well?
[16:47] >> Correct. The signs were posted on their
[16:49] subject site um in accordance with the
[16:51] code.
[16:53] Along the frontage of the roadways.
[16:56] >> Okay.
[16:57] >> Okay.
[16:58] >> Okay.
[16:59] Any questions for staff?
[17:01] Okay.
[17:03] We'll hear from the applicant.
[17:04] >> Thank you.
[17:08] >> Mr. Chairman, before we get started, I
[17:09] don't believe we've had the reading of
[17:11] the zoning uh
[17:13] stuff or the swearing in.
[17:16] >> Oh, we don't read zoning procedures
[17:18] anymore, but
[17:18] >> Okay, we're not doing that. We swear
[17:19] people in.
[17:20] >> All righty, you would like to speak at
[17:22] any of the items in this afternoon. If
[17:23] you could please stand, raise your right
[17:24] hand.
[17:30] Do you swear affirm the testimony you
[17:31] are about to give is the truth, so help
[17:33] you God?
[17:34] >> I do.
[17:34] >> When you come to the podium to speak for
[17:36] the record, please indicate whether you
[17:37] have been sworn, state your name and
[17:39] address, and spell out your last name.
[17:41] Thank you.
[17:45] >> Mr. Chairman, Clark Hobby, Hobby & Hobby
[17:47] P.A. 109 North Brush Street, Tampa,
[17:49] Florida. I've been sworn.
[17:51] Uh here on behalf of the applicant. Uh
[17:53] and as you heard from staff that the
[17:56] subject property that we're dealing with
[17:59] uh is about uh 1.1 mi north of State
[18:02] Road 52.
[18:04] Uh
[18:05] it's off of Kent Grove Drive. The
[18:07] subject area is part of the central
[18:10] market area.
[18:12] And it's part of a larger area of res
[18:16] three that really covers the entire
[18:18] area.
[18:19] Um I suspect we didn't have a lot of
[18:21] opposition at the planning commission,
[18:24] but I have a feeling that some of the
[18:25] neighbors are here today. And some of
[18:28] them may have lived here for a long
[18:29] time, but if I might just take a second
[18:32] to describe the area uh around the site.
[18:35] Maybe we go back one slide to the closer
[18:36] in aerial, that would help. That the the
[18:39] lots that are primarily south of and to
[18:43] the west of of our site uh were cut up
[18:47] and sold as part of an unrecorded
[18:50] subdivision that predates the
[18:51] comprehensive plan. The lots were sold
[18:54] mostly in the mid to late '70s and early
[18:57] '80s. They're larger uh right now than
[19:01] than we're proposing there, but most of
[19:03] them are around 1 acre. Some of them are
[19:04] a little bit bigger, some of them are a
[19:06] little bit smaller. But at the time the
[19:09] the subdivision was done, the county
[19:10] didn't even have a comprehensive plan.
[19:13] And so, the the subdivision itself is
[19:16] what the property appraiser refers to as
[19:19] a mobile home subdivision. It doesn't
[19:22] have mobile home zoning, but there are a
[19:24] lot of manufactured houses and legacy
[19:27] mobile homes in the area. And that's
[19:29] fine and and and and so on and so forth.
[19:31] But what my client's dealing with is a
[19:34] site that has res three on this whole
[19:36] area and has been res three for some
[19:40] time. And the reason why that's
[19:42] important is that's your guiding
[19:44] document, and that's what tells us that
[19:48] we have to follow um for folks who are
[19:50] building new projects since the
[19:52] comprehensive plan was adopted in 1989.
[19:56] So, on our site, it's about 40 acres
[19:59] gross, only about 32 33 acres are
[20:02] upland. So, when you do all the density
[20:04] calculations, it would allow 102 units.
[20:08] We have voluntarily agreed to cap our
[20:10] units at 77, and we've also agreed to go
[20:15] with a minimum 60-ft lot size in the res
[20:20] three area of this portion of the
[20:23] county,
[20:24] uh 60-ft lot sizes have been found by
[20:27] the board to be appropriate again and
[20:29] again.
[20:31] Uh that's true in Talavera and recently
[20:33] the mosquito control project, uh the
[20:36] Mitchell project on 41 uh is also in
[20:40] this same area of the county and has
[20:43] allowed for even smaller lot sizes. So,
[20:45] we feel like we're being really
[20:47] responsible with what we're doing here,
[20:49] but I think it's important that the
[20:51] board know and and are reminded that the
[20:55] board adopted policies creating the
[20:57] central market area and adopting this
[21:00] specific language I'm about to read in
[21:02] 2011.
[21:04] Part of the central market area
[21:06] establishment contains a policy says
[21:09] that Pasco County shall encourage
[21:11] development in the area between US 41
[21:14] and the Suncoast Parkway north of 52 as
[21:17] shown on map 2-19
[21:20] which includes that area. The reason why
[21:22] that was done is the county realized
[21:25] even as of 2011
[21:28] that the county has significant
[21:30] infrastructure already built to serve
[21:32] development in this area and we
[21:34] anticipate painted that the Suncoast
[21:36] Parkway would have a growth area that
[21:40] would emerge over time and that's
[21:41] happened and that's what you see on the
[21:43] MPUD plans there.
[21:46] We have done a number of things to make
[21:48] this project compatible with our
[21:50] neighbors and following the criteria for
[21:52] doing so there in the comprehensive
[21:54] plan. We have limited the form of
[21:57] access. We have upsized the buffers on
[22:00] two of the four sides. Two of the sides
[22:02] are bounded by a wetland system that
[22:05] can't be built and will be a nice buffer
[22:07] to our neighbors to the west and to the
[22:09] north.
[22:10] And in addition to doing things like
[22:13] that, that
[22:14] we realized when we started this project
[22:17] that Kent Grove Drive at the time was in
[22:19] a really bad spot and we worked with
[22:21] your staff to create a mechanism where
[22:24] the staff could use its paving mechanism
[22:27] through public works to get the job done
[22:30] and get the road repaved. It sorely
[22:32] needed at the time. That was done about
[22:35] a month ago. This
[22:36] Um excuse me, the zoning lagged a little
[22:38] bit, but we are still going to pay the
[22:41] county $375
[22:44] towards the cost of repaving the road
[22:46] which is significant given that we only
[22:48] have 77 lots.
[22:51] Just a reminder, we're in the central
[22:53] market area so we're not in a county
[22:55] adopted rural area. The county has four
[22:58] adopted rural areas that have different
[23:00] criteria that have to follow. This has
[23:03] never been in one of those rural areas.
[23:05] The county has planned for this area to
[23:07] grow, and the county also has adopted
[23:10] policies that says when you're in RES 3,
[23:14] you have to have public facilities if
[23:16] you have more than 25 lots. Even if we
[23:19] didn't rezone this property today,
[23:22] our existing zoning is AR and we would
[23:25] have more than 25 lots. So, we're going
[23:27] to have to have public water and and
[23:29] facilities, and we've been working with
[23:31] Pasco County Utilities on where the
[23:33] points of location are likely to be,
[23:36] but I it is unreasonable for someone to
[23:39] think that we would, for instance, have
[23:40] one-acre lots here, uh and then still
[23:44] have public facilities, which is what
[23:45] the comp plan would would require.
[23:48] Again, we're only seeking R4 60-ft
[23:51] minimum lots, and we have capped it 25%
[23:55] beneath what the comp plan says we're
[23:57] entitled to. So, we feel like we're
[23:59] being good neighbors. We've tried to
[24:01] work with county staff, and we did have
[24:03] a community meeting on it, but it is
[24:05] unreasonable to assume that someone's
[24:08] going to have public facilities on if
[24:11] someone is suggesting one-acre lots or
[24:13] above. That is that's not reasonable,
[24:15] and that's rural sprawl, and it's not a
[24:17] good use of the county's infrastructure.
[24:19] So, I'm happy to listen to our
[24:21] neighbors, but we feel like we've got a
[24:24] great small project here that will add
[24:28] the benefit of bringing water and sewer
[24:30] on this side of the railroad tracks at
[24:33] our expense,
[24:34] so that if people ever do want to
[24:36] redevelop in Kent Grove in that area,
[24:40] they can tap into county sewer as an
[24:42] amenity if they if they want to. So,
[24:46] happy to answer any questions you may
[24:47] have.
[24:48] >> I'd like to say, Clark, uh when we met
[24:49] with the with the applicant, um
[24:52] it was a good meeting. We talked about
[24:53] the issues I had at Kent Grove. The The
[24:55] terrible going in there. It was terrible
[24:56] going in there.
[24:57] >> Right.
[24:57] >> And I I thought if it's going to come
[24:59] in, let's make it to a benefit of the
[25:01] community. Now, they didn't have to do
[25:02] all this, but they did it and they've
[25:04] guaranteed it provided that they get the
[25:06] rezoning, but I want to say working with
[25:08] you was was very good. The association,
[25:11] we'll hear from them as well, I'm sure,
[25:12] but I want to say what you did for that
[25:14] to help that facilitate, I appreciate
[25:16] it.
[25:17] >> All right. Well, thank you very much.
[25:18] One one other thing I should say for
[25:20] maybe not all of the board members might
[25:21] not know this area. It's in Commissioner
[25:23] Marion's district, but immediately south
[25:26] of the site, there's an unpaved road
[25:28] named Orange Drive and it connects over
[25:31] to a county park that's further to the
[25:34] west and part of the reason why I think
[25:36] public works was interested in working
[25:38] with us to get Kent Grove paved is
[25:40] ultimately if we can make sure that the
[25:42] county actually has right-of-way along
[25:44] Orange Drive, we'd like to get the road
[25:46] paved all the way over to the park.
[25:48] That's just a a reasonable thing for a
[25:51] county to have as an amenity and for
[25:53] neighbors to have as an amenity over
[25:55] time, too. So, we're hoping this is the
[25:57] first step and there may be other steps
[25:59] to help provide amenities for the area.
[26:02] >> All right.
[26:03] Any questions there?
[26:04] >> Clark, just to make it clear, Talavera
[26:06] does not share an access with this
[26:08] project.
[26:09] >> They they do not. That's correct.
[26:10] >> Okay.
[26:12] Okay.
[26:12] >> There's railroad track in between. Thank
[26:14] you.
[26:14] >> All right. We'll go to public comment.
[26:16] Look at the people signed up.
[26:17] >> Okay. I'm going to call three names. If
[26:19] you'd like to line up, please. Jim
[26:21] McBride,
[26:22] Cody McBride, and Scott Craig are the
[26:25] first three for P51.
[26:41] >> Good afternoon, Commissioners. Jim
[26:42] McBride, 17430
[26:45] Couthide Road, Spring Hill, Florida
[26:47] 34610.
[26:49] Appreciate the opportunity to be out
[26:51] here to talk to you all today.
[26:53] My main function for being here is to
[26:55] let you all know I'm adamantly opposed
[26:57] to small developments scattered out
[26:59] through the county that have similar
[27:01] facts and situation that you have here.
[27:04] And that is you know there's
[27:07] no proof that they have access to our
[27:08] utilities.
[27:10] They talk about the work that they've
[27:11] done on
[27:12] uh
[27:13] King Grove Drive. State Road 52 is six
[27:16] lanes wide with a divided highway coming
[27:19] from Shady Hills Road to 41. It's like a
[27:21] racetrack. So some needs to be answered
[27:24] about that a traffic controller. But my
[27:26] main thing is ladies and gentlemen is to
[27:28] tell you
[27:30] that I'm a 60-year veteran of that area.
[27:34] In other words, I've been associated
[27:35] actually with more than 60 years of out
[27:38] there boots on the ground in this same
[27:40] area all the way out to 52
[27:43] and up to County Line Road.
[27:45] And I can tell you there's a lot of
[27:46] other things going on in that area that
[27:48] we need to be considering in your
[27:50] decision for whether to grant this this
[27:53] particular authority. And that is over
[27:56] the years
[27:57] what's been known as Rawls Branch.
[28:00] It's on the map there. It's over there
[28:02] on the other side of the railroad tracks
[28:04] and and and 41.
[28:06] And that is a
[28:07] drainage area for Green Lake which is
[28:10] there 52 and 41 and drives under 52
[28:15] over to 41 and then west all along the
[28:18] parallel side on the north side of the
[28:21] of the real estate development. Mr.
[28:23] Hobby clarified that that is a wetlands
[28:25] area there.
[28:26] And there's more it's more than a
[28:28] wetlands area.
[28:29] When King Grove when Mr. Kemp bought
[28:32] that property, he came in and was going
[28:34] to put a grove there. And he all the
[28:36] neighbors around there were really
[28:37] concerned. The neighbors being Jim
[28:39] Williams who had three boys that runs
[28:42] the sawmills out there on 52 been there
[28:44] for years and years and years.
[28:46] Bradshaw Campbell who had dead weight
[28:48] farm and ranch forever, and then the
[28:50] real hero is Joe Chapman.
[28:53] Chapman service station there at the 41
[28:56] and 52.
[28:58] Now, it's important. Let me just explain
[29:00] to you. I've been up and down that
[29:03] Green Lake and around My father had
[29:05] lived there on Green Lake and
[29:08] that we can confirm for you I can
[29:11] confirm for you that the water that
[29:13] flows out of Green Lake down the canal
[29:15] over under 52 and under 41
[29:19] that comes into from the east side of
[29:21] that subdivision is critical to the
[29:24] whole situation in Central Pasco County.
[29:27] And that's from the standpoint that
[29:29] the water that goes through there, if we
[29:31] have hurricanes, I've seen the water
[29:33] pouring out of Connerton over there
[29:35] after several hurricanes. It goes down
[29:38] through
[29:39] right away needs to be kept open and
[29:41] clear. The needs to be
[29:43] much bigger offset than the lot size
[29:46] that they've suggested.
[29:48] In addition to that
[29:50] in addition to that, I would just
[29:51] appreciate you considering this
[29:53] long-term resident of the knowledge you
[29:55] know and the importance of the
[29:56] environment and this in this
[29:58] subdivision.
[30:00] >> Thank you. Thank you for your service
[30:02] all these years in the value you just
[30:03] reported.
[30:04] >> Thank you.
[30:06] >> Cody McBride
[30:09] >> Cody McBride, 17450 Hide Road,
[30:12] Spring Hill, Florida.
[30:13] Uh Mr. Hobby talks about uh utilities.
[30:17] Uh
[30:17] they've been working on getting
[30:18] utilities this property for at least
[30:21] since November.
[30:23] Uh Talavera, the CDD, voted back in
[30:25] February not to grant access
[30:28] despite the offer of $40,000 to their
[30:30] utilities.
[30:31] Um there are no
[30:33] there there's no utilities in place. Mr.
[30:35] Hobby indicates that he's talking to
[30:37] public works.
[30:38] I would like to see something definitive
[30:40] in writing.
[30:42] We're talking about a high-density
[30:44] neighborhood that is going to require
[30:46] city water and city sewer. I'm sorry,
[30:49] county water and county sewer.
[30:51] Um
[30:52] >> [clears throat]
[30:52] >> it's not in place. It It's at least a
[30:54] mile away. It sounds like the
[30:56] applicant's not willing to pay for that.
[30:58] If Mr. Hobby is can come up here and say
[31:02] he's worked with public works and yes,
[31:04] we're going to have utilities in place
[31:06] prior to the initiation of this
[31:07] neighborhood being built,
[31:09] there's not much we can do about it. Uh
[31:11] I understand he talks about the guiding
[31:13] documents.
[31:14] I agree with it.
[31:15] I don't understand the I understand the
[31:17] documents. I don't agree with the
[31:18] documents, but they are in place and I
[31:21] understand those policies.
[31:23] But we talk about uh
[31:25] having infrastructure in place before we
[31:27] approve developments. It's a classic
[31:29] example.
[31:30] I spent time with Commissioner Mariano
[31:32] and Commissioner Waitman. Thank you very
[31:33] much for your time and attention. Um
[31:36] we've addressed a number of issues,
[31:38] not only the utilities, the the
[31:41] condition of the environmental condition
[31:43] and a number of other things.
[31:45] Just like to reiterate thank you, Mr.
[31:47] Hobby and the applicant for agreeing to
[31:49] pay $375,000.
[31:52] Although that's not really agreement,
[31:53] that's kind of a a given fact these days
[31:55] with development. Um but that's only if
[31:58] he gets the develop the approval for the
[32:00] rezoning.
[32:01] If the approval's not granted, county
[32:03] doesn't get the 370 $375,000.
[32:06] The road isn't improved. The road is in
[32:08] better condition. I've emailed
[32:10] Commissioner Mariano about my concerns
[32:12] with the
[32:13] the method that the road was improved
[32:15] and the rough spots in the road already
[32:18] after only been in place for a short
[32:19] period of time.
[32:21] Um and I understand that he's working
[32:24] with public works on that.
[32:25] Um
[32:27] Mr. Hobby indicates that you'd like to
[32:29] get the road paved from Orange Drive
[32:31] back to the upper Pithlachocco Preserve,
[32:34] which is a a corridor, not really a
[32:36] park, it's a preserve.
[32:38] It is a wildlife corridor. The wildlife
[32:41] also travel down the Riles Branch
[32:43] to get to the Pistacuity. So, this is a
[32:47] a huge environmental area.
[32:49] I understand that from living there as
[32:51] just as long as my dad, boots on the
[32:53] ground. I used to bale hay on this
[32:54] property. I'm very familiar with the
[32:56] property.
[32:58] This uh this just doesn't fit into the
[33:01] neighborhood. Mr. Hobby talks about the
[33:04] the adjoining areas.
[33:06] All the adjoining Kent Grove areas are
[33:08] lots of an acre or more.
[33:10] They have septic, they have well.
[33:12] These are salt of the earth people.
[33:15] These are tradesmen. They work hard
[33:16] every day.
[33:18] I appreciate your attention. I uh I hope
[33:20] you take my comments into consideration.
[33:22] The infrastructure is not in place. This
[33:24] should not be approved at this point in
[33:25] time.
[33:26] Thank you for your time.
[33:28] >> Next up is Scott Craig, and then please
[33:30] follow him Timothy Hellwig, Jan Elsie
[33:33] Brown, Janet Pratt, and Chris Campbell.
[33:39] >> Uh good afternoon. I'm Scott Craig. I
[33:40] live at 12739 Lucier Lane, Kent Grove.
[33:44] Um to basically parrot what Mr. McBride
[33:47] and his father said,
[33:48] speaking for the community, I think our
[33:50] biggest concern is flooding.
[33:52] I think that's what we're looking at. 77
[33:54] homes on 40 acres
[33:56] is going to create a problem in our
[33:59] opinion. Mr. McBride is very familiar
[34:02] with Riles Branch, the flooding that's
[34:04] occurred on the Aaron Cutoff from the
[34:06] recent hurricanes coming off of the
[34:07] Connerton extension.
[34:10] And I think for the community, that's
[34:11] our biggest concern. I think we'd like
[34:13] you to consider, if you're going to
[34:16] approve this project for the developer,
[34:18] is to consider reducing the size of the
[34:21] footprint, reducing the number of homes
[34:23] from 77 to say half. I think that in
[34:26] itself will satisfy two people, the
[34:29] community of Kent Grove and the
[34:30] developer itself. It is a wildlife
[34:33] corridor. It is a wetland. There is a
[34:35] preserve already there. And uh we're
[34:37] just concerned really more about some of
[34:39] the environmental impacts. Um and how it
[34:41] could affect potentially our neighbors
[34:43] around us. Um I don't really have a lot
[34:46] of uh knowledge about the community.
[34:47] I've only been living in Kent Grove for
[34:49] about 16 years.
[34:52] I love the community. It's a great
[34:53] community. It's very family-oriented.
[34:55] Uh and we are we're just hard-working
[34:57] people. And we're not denying anybody
[34:58] the opportunity to move there.
[35:00] Uh
[35:01] agreed with Mr. McBride. It is a
[35:03] community that will be out of place
[35:05] compared to what we are currently at.
[35:07] So, just take into consideration some of
[35:09] our thoughts and and um consider what
[35:12] I'm requesting uh for my own personal is
[35:15] reducing the footprint from the 77
[35:18] individual homes to maybe cutting that
[35:20] in half. I think that's maybe a fair
[35:22] compromise for everybody.
[35:24] Thank you for your time.
[35:26] >> Thank you.
[35:27] >> Timothy Helwig.
[35:30] >> Uh he made a good point about flooding.
[35:32] My name is Timothy Helwig, 12821 Kent
[35:35] Grove Drive. I have been sworn in. He
[35:37] made a good point about flooding. Um I
[35:39] um I'm situated on a lot that is in the
[35:41] same contiguous flood zone A as that
[35:43] lot. So, any fill activity that goes on
[35:45] in that lot will increase the flooding
[35:47] where my house is located. So, that is a
[35:50] big concern.
[35:51] Um but I come up here with uh three
[35:53] different concerns. Um a couple already
[35:55] slightly mentioned. First of all is
[35:57] looking at that area.
[35:59] Uh
[36:00] This is completely unprecedented. So, so
[36:02] they claim that the lawyer here claims
[36:04] that uh oh there's uh other high-density
[36:07] subdivisions in the area. I want you to
[36:08] notice that every single one of those
[36:10] has direct access to a major road and it
[36:12] does not impact an existing residential
[36:15] neighborhood. This one is completely
[36:16] different. They're planning to put a
[36:18] residential high-density neighborhood
[36:21] uh off of a existing residential road.
[36:23] All ingress and egress to this uh new
[36:26] subdivision is going to go in front of
[36:28] existing houses.
[36:29] Uh
[36:30] one of which is a dirt road. Kent Grove
[36:33] is paved. Uh Lucier Lane is not. It's a
[36:36] dirt road. That is the north entrance
[36:38] and exit to this neighborhood, and it
[36:39] cannot be ignored. Uh anyone coming uh
[36:43] into or out of this neighborhood from
[36:44] the south uh usually east and west is
[36:47] going to come up Kent Grove. Anyone
[36:49] going in or out from the north is coming
[36:51] down Lucier La- Lucier
[36:53] Lane.
[36:55] Um
[36:56] uh if
[36:57] uh the reason why that's an issue is
[36:59] every time a car goes up and down this
[37:01] road uh they create a big cloud of dust.
[37:04] And now the depending on the wind, that
[37:05] cloud of dust drifts over people's
[37:07] houses. And that's fine in a low density
[37:09] setting. It's It's part of the
[37:11] experience. If you're going to pack a
[37:13] high density neighborhood in here and
[37:14] start routing all that traffic down
[37:15] here, I think you owe it to every single
[37:17] resident along Lucier Lane to make sure
[37:19] that that road gets paved uh like a
[37:22] proper uh high density road should be.
[37:25] Uh finally, and the biggest issue as
[37:26] already mentioned, is there there are no
[37:28] utilities there, right? The the the
[37:30] planning document, the narrative
[37:31] document that's submitted online as part
[37:33] of this agenda packet says that they are
[37:36] uh planning on pulling utilities from
[37:37] Talavera. Talavera has ho- held a vote.
[37:39] They said they will not uh connect
[37:41] utilities because they already are are
[37:43] struggling with their utilities. Their
[37:44] water pressure is so low, they can't
[37:47] hardly get their water usable.
[37:49] So,
[37:50] trying to
[37:52] pull
[37:53] uh that water from them is an issue.
[37:55] Uh
[37:56] but they've refused um unless the
[37:58] developer here is going to uh commit to
[38:00] bringing water all the way up Kent Grove
[38:02] from 52. He has no way to get utilities
[38:05] to this lot. Uh it doesn't fit.
[38:07] Um and I'd like to ask you guys to take
[38:09] that seriously and not just rubber stamp
[38:12] uh a a rezoning that has no uh
[38:15] has not taken into consideration uh
[38:17] these issues behind it.
[38:19] Thank you.
[38:20] >> Thank you.
[38:21] >> Jan Elsie Brown is next.
[38:29] >> Good afternoon.
[38:30] >> You can pull that down if you like.
[38:32] >> I'm short. It works.
[38:34] I mean extremely short. I'm Brown. I
[38:36] live on 174 51 Mineola Drive.
[38:41] >> Have you been sworn?
[38:42] >> I have.
[38:43] This I strongly oppose
[38:45] >> sworn?
[38:45] >> the 77 home subdivision on 40 acres. I
[38:49] live in
[38:49] >> Ma'am,
[38:50] ma'am.
[38:51] >> subdivision.
[38:52] >> Have you been sworn?
[38:53] >> Pardon?
[38:53] >> Did you say you were sworn?
[38:55] >> Pardon?
[38:55] >> Have you been sworn in?
[38:56] >> Yes, I am.
[38:57] >> Okay. Thank you. Sorry.
[38:59] >> I oppose it. I've lived in Kent Grove
[39:01] subdivision since 1971.
[39:04] To start off with, Mr. Hoppy, we have
[39:07] lived on those roads since 1971.
[39:10] So Orange Drive, Mineola.
[39:13] We're okay driving with them. I can't
[39:16] Um
[39:17] it's the 40 acres. It's going to
[39:21] severely impact the environment,
[39:24] flooding, and wildlife risk.
[39:27] Replacing the 40 acres of natural land
[39:31] with rooftops and pavements
[39:33] will exponentially increase
[39:36] storm water runoff into Rowlett's
[39:39] Branch, and it cannot handle that surge.
[39:44] >> [snorts]
[39:44] >> Inadequate mitigation relying on the two
[39:48] small retention ponds that are going to
[39:51] set up next to the tributary
[39:56] which is a major tributary which flows
[39:59] into
[40:00] um Rowlett's [clears throat] River right
[40:02] there at the preserve
[40:07] is a recipe for failure during the heavy
[40:09] rains that we get.
[40:11] And the tributary does have
[40:14] um
[40:15] does overflow every summer over Camp
[40:19] Grove Drive.
[40:21] Thank you.
[40:25] The pollutants, the fertilizer, and the
[40:28] vehicle oils from 77 homes that they
[40:31] want to build
[40:33] will drain directly into Royal's Branch
[40:35] tributary and go right into the Cody
[40:37] River.
[40:39] And the wildlife destruction,
[40:42] clearing that 40 acres will decimate it
[40:46] from the wildlife to the gopher
[40:48] tortoise's burrows burrows.
[40:52] As a threatened species, burying them
[40:54] and disrupting their critical habitat,
[40:57] and that cannot go devastation and
[40:59] legally restricting.
[41:02] This commission must protect our
[41:05] watershed and our native wildlife by
[41:08] denying this high-density development
[41:11] to prevent downstream flooding and
[41:14] economical disaster. And also, in Camp
[41:17] Grove, not everybody lives in a trailer.
[41:20] I live in a home.
[41:22] It may be a stick frame home, but it is
[41:25] a home.
[41:27] Mr. Hobby,
[41:28] thank you.
[41:30] >> Next up is Janet Pratt.
[41:33] >> I'm deferring to Cody McBryde.
[41:35] >> Okay.
[41:36] >> We can we can't defer.
[41:40] No, can't defer.
[41:43] No.
[41:56] >> I can't stand very long.
[41:58] >> We we can get you a chair.
[42:01] We ma- ma- we can get you a chair and a
[42:03] microphone.
[42:06] >> Well, I don't have that much to say, but
[42:09] All right.
[42:12] Mike,
[42:14] Oh, thank you.
[42:15] >> Please state your name, your address,
[42:16] and if you were sworn.
[42:17] >> Okay. Janet Pratt, 17830
[42:21] Orange Drive. I was sworn in.
[42:23] >> Thank you.
[42:24] >> And uh
[42:26] So, I've been in Kent Grove probably
[42:29] since 12, so 15, 16 years.
[42:33] And uh
[42:35] the property that ours is up there won't
[42:38] that I'm on Orange Drive, but
[42:40] it's like
[42:42] say two lot We call them lots. We don't
[42:44] call them acres or what it It's like two
[42:46] lots away from me.
[42:48] And they're going to build all this.
[42:51] And I feel it's going to the water and
[42:53] stuff is going to affect
[42:56] you know, around it. I mean, you know,
[42:58] common sense tells you it's what's
[43:00] always happened.
[43:01] And I just feel like it's the wrong
[43:04] place
[43:06] to build something like that. I feel
[43:08] like they're building wanting to build
[43:10] this, and then they're going to come
[43:12] after the rest of it, you know, because
[43:14] it's a rural area. And they need it with
[43:16] the hospital has been built over on
[43:20] uh Ridge.
[43:22] And I just feel like they think that
[43:24] they need this whole area to be
[43:25] incorporated, and we need everyday farm
[43:29] place.
[43:31] We need everyday people to live,
[43:33] workers. We're not the high end, maybe
[43:36] some of them money, but we're not the
[43:38] high end people,
[43:39] but we're everyday people. We're people
[43:41] with neighbors that we care about.
[43:45] I put food out for people that don't
[43:47] have it. We have homeless living in the
[43:49] back.
[43:50] We're just not
[43:52] ready.
[43:54] And I just don't feel like that the
[43:57] the
[43:58] that you guys are listening not only to
[44:00] us, but other people as I've watched.
[44:03] You're not listening to our needs.
[44:06] I just That's the I feel.
[44:09] I I just think that you should
[44:12] We vote you in
[44:14] and we vote for a certain thing, but we
[44:16] don't feel heard.
[44:18] We just don't. We don't feel like we're
[44:20] heard.
[44:22] And I just would implore you to
[44:25] listen to the people and not just the
[44:28] dollar signs.
[44:31] Thank you.
[44:32] >> Thank you.
[44:32] >> Thank you. Chris Campbell is the last
[44:34] one signed up.
[44:37] >> Is there anyone else in the audience to
[44:38] speak? Please [clears throat] line up
[44:39] behind Mr. Campbell.
[44:42] >> Uh Chris Campbell, 17737 Orange Drive,
[44:45] Spring Hill, Florida. I've been sworn
[44:46] in.
[44:47] Um
[44:48] just want to address pretty much There's
[44:50] not many of rural neighborhoods left in
[44:52] Pasco rural county. And putting a
[44:54] neighborhood in the middle of a
[44:55] neighborhood really doesn't make sense.
[44:57] Obviously, common sense kind of deal.
[45:00] Um
[45:01] everybody's shooting guns over the
[45:02] weekends. We got animals Everybody's got
[45:04] chickens and goats and cows and so
[45:07] they're going to be calling about that
[45:08] when they hear gunshots every 10
[45:09] minutes.
[45:10] Um also, Kent Grove Drive, right where
[45:13] the entrance of this deal is, every time
[45:15] it rains pretty decent, where the Ryals
[45:16] Branch is, it kind of goes under it
[45:18] right next to the entrance. It'll get
[45:20] this deep on Kent Grove Drive for hours
[45:22] on end just flowing across. And it's
[45:24] paved, but it's going to be on top of
[45:25] it. So, it's just all It's just going to
[45:27] make it worse, and everybody's pretty
[45:29] much covered the main stuff, but
[45:31] it's a small neighbor It's a
[45:32] neighborhood in a neighborhood. It's
[45:34] just
[45:34] That's it. Thank you.
[45:36] >> Thank you.
[45:38] Is there anyone online?
[45:39] >> No one's signed up online.
[45:40] >> Okay.
[45:41] Uh we have one more person. This will be
[45:43] the last person unless there's anyone
[45:44] else who comes up.
[45:45] >> swear in.
[45:46] >> Okay. Let me Let me swear you in.
[45:47] >> That's fine.
[45:48] >> Go ahead and raise your right hand,
[45:49] please. Do you swear or affirm the
[45:51] testimony you're about to give is the
[45:52] truth, so help you God?
[45:54] >> Yes.
[45:55] >> Your name and address for the record,
[45:56] please.
[45:57] >> My name is William Lamb and I live at
[45:59] 12636 Price Lane.
[46:02] So, my home has Riles Branch running
[46:04] through it. My kids swim in it.
[46:07] I'm adjacent to the park, which is also
[46:10] a preserve. It's really a preserve. They
[46:11] use the the money that was used to buy
[46:13] the park
[46:14] was pinning for Pasco, and then that's
[46:17] why there's a whole If you look into it,
[46:19] there's a lot of stuff going on about
[46:20] the road going to it. Regular people not
[46:22] having access to the public park because
[46:24] it's called a park, but it's really a
[46:26] preserve. It was just a way to spend
[46:28] money probably. I don't know because I
[46:29] didn't live in Pasco at the time. I'm
[46:31] from St. Petersburg. I just purchased
[46:33] this home in this area because the area
[46:35] is rural, because there's not 77 homes
[46:39] and 40 acres in the area.
[46:42] All I can say is
[46:44] it's putting that many homes in this
[46:46] area is just going to destroy
[46:47] everything. They spoke upon the
[46:49] wildlife. The property is loaded with
[46:51] gopher tortoises. When I say loaded,
[46:53] loaded, over 50 gopher tortoises because
[46:55] they're mating gopher tortoises and
[46:56] they're having babies, which also live
[46:58] throughout the entire Cane Grove area.
[47:01] So, I I don't believe you guys should
[47:03] even approve anything other than maybe
[47:06] five-acre lots at the most.
[47:09] Most of that property all along Riles
[47:12] Branch is all protected wetlands. I
[47:14] can't build on my property because it's
[47:15] protected wetlands.
[47:18] You know, I also live in a block home,
[47:20] not a trailer. It's a concrete home, and
[47:22] I have a concrete detached garage. It's
[47:24] a very beautiful home in a country rural
[47:26] setting. That's why we moved there.
[47:28] And I'd hate for you guys to allow them
[47:29] to destroy that for all of us. So.
[47:32] And all I can say to add to it is
[47:34] whoever moves into that when they build
[47:36] it is not going to enjoy being our
[47:37] neighbors because I shoot my guns every
[47:40] day.
[47:41] Okay? And that's why we moved here, and
[47:42] that's what we the way we want to keep
[47:43] it. So.
[47:45] I won't get rid of my property.
[47:47] And
[47:48] that's all I can say. So, I'm thank you
[47:49] for your time.
[47:49] >> Thank you.
[47:51] Okay, that'll close public comment.
[47:53] Bring the applicant back up.
[48:00] >> Mr. Chairman Clark Hobby again. I'm
[48:02] going to let Jordan Schrader speak to
[48:04] the Rialto Rialto Branch issues and
[48:07] flood plain and so forth. But I do want
[48:10] to say you know, I am from an old Pasco
[48:13] family and I'm from the rural area of
[48:15] the county and I value what our
[48:18] neighbors are saying here. I can tell
[48:20] you we took that into account as we
[48:23] planned this community. We are not
[48:25] trying to get every single lot we could
[48:27] have asked for. We didn't ask for the
[48:29] smallest lot size we could have done an
[48:31] MPUD and asked for smaller lot sizes. We
[48:34] did not do that. We're trying to fit in
[48:36] as best as we can into the community
[48:40] by making an a substantial improvement
[48:43] to the community with the utilities
[48:45] we're going to bring and with the
[48:48] the payment we're going to make towards
[48:50] the road payment that just occurred. I
[48:53] will speak quickly as to the utilities.
[48:55] We're still working with Pasco County
[48:57] Utilities. We had a meeting with them
[48:59] last week about the utilities. There
[49:02] were service issues in Talavera that PCU
[49:05] worked on extensively about a year ago.
[49:08] Right now the pressures we've done
[49:09] recent pressure tests in Talavera and
[49:12] the pressures are back up and the system
[49:14] seems to be working fine.
[49:16] We may or may not make a connection
[49:18] through Talavera. There are other areas
[49:21] along 41 where we may bring the
[49:23] utilities through.
[49:25] One being we could make a connection
[49:27] from the mosquito
[49:28] MPUD that you mosquito control MPUD that
[49:32] you all recently approved. That isn't
[49:34] the only place, but that kind of level
[49:37] of detail is dealt with prior to
[49:39] development and prior to getting site
[49:41] plan approval.
[49:43] That's happened on almost every major
[49:45] project in the county. We don't go out
[49:47] and figure out at the time of Euclidean
[49:49] rezoning where the lines are going to
[49:52] go. That happens prior to development
[49:54] and we will have to solve that problem.
[49:56] If we cannot solve the problem, we won't
[49:58] be building a subdivision. So, that's
[50:00] the the onus is on us. Uh with that, I
[50:03] was going to ask Jordan to speak to some
[50:06] of the environmental factors and and
[50:08] primarily the engineering and flooding
[50:10] concerns.
[50:11] >> And before Jordan comes up, um if you
[50:13] would while he's talking, you talk to
[50:14] the applicant,
[50:16] um
[50:16] see if there's a lower number he'd
[50:18] accept. Um
[50:19] we might want to take a look at doing
[50:20] what I tried off to get bigger lot sizes
[50:23] and in in lieu of the 375 for the road.
[50:26] >> I I don't think we can cuz it's not just
[50:28] the 375, it's the comp plan's requiring
[50:31] public facilities on the site,
[50:33] Commissioner. And so, we won't be able
[50:35] to afford the utilities that the comp
[50:37] plan's requiring.
[50:39] Even with the existing zoning.
[50:41] >> I mean, we've got history of lots being
[50:42] 100 ft wide that still have utilities
[50:45] and not having a problem.
[50:46] >> You can't do it in the res three future
[50:49] land use. If you have 25 or more units
[50:51] in the res three future land use public
[50:53] facilities element says that you have to
[50:55] have public facilities.
[50:57] >> No, I'm I'm looking to get those, but
[50:58] I'm just trying to
[50:59] >> We we won't literally won't be able to
[51:01] do the project, Commissioner. I just we
[51:03] won't be able to afford it. But I I will
[51:04] go back and talk to him. I'll have
[51:05] Jordan Jordan speak.
[51:09] >> Good afternoon, members of the board.
[51:11] Jordan Schrader, 3010 West Azeele
[51:12] Street, Suite 150, Tampa, Florida 33609
[51:16] and I have been sworn.
[51:17] Um I think Ms. Pratt said it well, she
[51:19] just wants to be heard. I wrote down
[51:21] everybody's notes here. I want to start
[51:22] with Mr. McBride. Um and again, we've
[51:25] met with the neighbors in a neighborhood
[51:26] meeting. Um a little bit of off topic,
[51:28] but I think the world would be a better
[51:30] place if there were more Jim McBrides in
[51:32] it. Uh he is a good person and he come
[51:34] He's lived there for a long time.
[51:36] He brought up Riles Branch and Mr.
[51:37] McBride is right. Riles Branch begins in
[51:39] the southeast quadrant of 52 and 41,
[51:41] northwest side of Connor Preserve. It
[51:44] goes through Talavera. It makes its way
[51:46] under Kent Grove and out to the west in
[51:48] the Cody River. One thing about Rawls
[51:50] Branch and one thing particular about
[51:51] this project is because this is a new
[51:53] rezoning today, this project is now
[51:56] subject to new statewide stormwater
[51:58] treatment rules that existing NPDs do
[52:00] not have to comply with. Those rules
[52:02] require additional treatment, reduction
[52:05] of nitrogen phosphorus to help improve
[52:07] water um riverine systems like this one
[52:09] Rawls Branch. So, just know that by
[52:11] approving this MP today, it is now
[52:13] subject or this new this Euclidean
[52:15] zoning today, it is now subject to new
[52:17] statewide stormwater rules which even
[52:19] further treat the water before enters
[52:21] Rawls Branch.
[52:23] On the quantity side, the flooding
[52:25] um Mr. McBride but also when we get down
[52:28] to Mr. Hellwig, they talked a lot about
[52:30] flooding on the opposite side. This
[52:32] project will go through both Pasco
[52:33] County and Swiftmud review. One resident
[52:36] made it had a concern that they would
[52:37] raise the flood elevation.
[52:39] There are laws in place both in the
[52:41] county as well as with Swiftmud where
[52:43] this project will not raise the flood
[52:45] elevation to any of these neighbors. So,
[52:46] please let that be known that this
[52:48] project will and is not allowed to raise
[52:50] any flood elevation on any neighbors.
[52:53] One thing about the north side of this
[52:54] project is is everybody mentioned it is
[52:55] Rawls Branch. It flows from east to
[52:57] west. One of the neighbors brought up a
[52:58] concern that this would contribute to
[53:00] the flooding over Kent Grove Road. This
[53:02] project outfalls west of Kent Grove Road
[53:04] does not contribute to any water that
[53:06] goes across Kent Grove Road. So, there's
[53:08] no way for this project to alter any
[53:09] flooding conditions on Kent Grove Road.
[53:11] Um
[53:12] let me keep
[53:13] On the environmental side, there were
[53:15] some concerns about wildlife and
[53:17] corridor preservation for Rawls Branch
[53:19] that straddles the north.
[53:21] By approving this zoning today, this
[53:22] project goes through Pasco's formal plat
[53:24] process which places a perpetual
[53:26] conservation easement over the entire
[53:28] wetland system to the north. So, please
[53:30] note that everything all the wetland
[53:32] systems including the buffers will be
[53:34] placed in a perpetual conservation
[53:36] easement that can never be altered that
[53:38] is different than other counties but
[53:39] it's something we do here in Pasco.
[53:44] Make sure I caught everybody.
[53:46] I believe I captured everybody into
[53:48] really the flooding
[53:50] and the environmental streets, but if
[53:51] the board has any other questions from
[53:53] any of the members I wrote down notes
[53:54] I'd be happy to answer them directly.
[53:58] >> Jim.
[53:59] >> Mr. Whitman.
[54:00] >> Hey.
[54:01] Mr. Traitor, Mr. Tolley.
[54:03] So, there's 40 acres left in this
[54:05] neighborhood.
[54:08] Do you know off top of your head if
[54:09] staff know off top of their head, I
[54:10] mean, this is an island and it's
[54:12] surrounded.
[54:13] Do we know how many lots
[54:16] surround this
[54:19] piece of property?
[54:25] >> I don't have a direct count on Kent
[54:28] Grove, uh, Commissioner, but when we
[54:30] started this one thing I should have
[54:31] pointed out uh, earlier when we started
[54:34] the MPUD, I did count the area and the
[54:37] number of units that were accessing Kent
[54:39] Grove and it's surprisingly large.
[54:41] There's over 200
[54:43] There are over 200 residences that are
[54:46] accessing Kent Grove Drive.
[54:48] So, we're about a third of that.
[54:56] >> And the pieces in the in the road is
[54:57] being improved
[55:00] which goes from 52 going north. I'm
[55:02] [clears throat] assuming at least for
[55:03] our county staff, that's the predominant
[55:05] route that residents in that area use to
[55:08] go to and from
[55:09] >> Yes.
[55:10] >> right, home.
[55:11] >> Primarily south from 52.
[55:12] >> Right, to get to stores or schools,
[55:15] wherever. Okay.
[55:16] So, with utilities,
[55:19] um,
[55:21] obviously, if if if you guys aren't able
[55:24] to bring utilities in, then this project
[55:26] never comes to fruition.
[55:27] >> Correct.
[55:28] >> It'll continue to be be what it what it
[55:30] is.
[55:31] >> Right.
[55:31] >> Um,
[55:33] so,
[55:36] it's interesting to see, I mean, there's
[55:38] seems to be a lot of septic to sewer
[55:39] [snorts] opportunity
[55:41] conversion in here which when you talk
[55:43] about the health of the environment and
[55:44] our
[55:45] and our
[55:47] water systems that that's anytime we can
[55:50] have septic to the sewer conversions
[55:52] that's incredibly you know a healthy
[55:55] opportunity for our water supply in our
[55:57] county.
[55:58] Um
[55:59] >> Well actually this is also good for the
[56:01] environment because there are obviously
[56:04] around the county there are instances
[56:06] where we have leaching old septic fields
[56:09] so over time we can convert this area if
[56:12] people wanted to connect to to get on
[56:14] the central facilities and avoid them.
[56:16] >> Let me add to that. I mean
[56:18] >> Good.
[56:18] >> Commissioner it's our job to have a
[56:20] longer vision right? And I realize for
[56:22] some of the residents that are here
[56:23] today it may be they don't want to get
[56:24] off septic and I can understand that.
[56:26] This project reminds me north of Lock
[56:29] Street in Dade City there was a big
[56:30] block grant improvement to repave the
[56:32] roads bring in utilities and it has
[56:34] changed that area dramatically. But we
[56:36] know there was there was challenges at
[56:38] the time. But it's helped improve that
[56:40] area and I can see the same situation
[56:42] for this area by helping to bring in
[56:44] public water and sewer and eventually in
[56:46] time take people off septic.
[56:52] >> Do you see where I'm going with that
[56:53] thought process Chairman?
[56:55] >> I do but I want you to
[56:58] think a little bit more think about
[57:00] Foxwood. We just had open the fire
[57:02] station that we just opened there.
[57:04] Um
[57:05] that there had a special link
[57:07] CDD or not it wasn't a CDD but an MSDU
[57:11] of some sort where they had deal with
[57:12] their flooding and roads right?
[57:14] They're spending a lot of money from the
[57:15] growth that's around it. That's seems
[57:18] pretty appropriate has now built up
[57:20] higher than what they are around them
[57:21] and causes a lot of
[57:25] improvements need to be made for the for
[57:26] all the flooding issues they have out
[57:28] there right?
[57:29] >> Yeah.
[57:30] >> We we've got some agenda that's come up
[57:31] later on with the CD GDR where I got a
[57:33] community C Pines. I'll just stop there
[57:35] during the
[57:37] the other the storm on Sunday.
[57:39] And I go up there. It's a community
[57:40] that's set up pretty well. You got the
[57:43] Old Dixie Highway on one side. You've
[57:45] got US-19 on the other side. They're in
[57:47] the middle of that. Uh there's some good
[57:50] retention areas, but there's a lot of
[57:51] marshlands around. And literally just
[57:53] with the little bit of rain that we had,
[57:56] um I get like 2 ft of water on road
[57:59] called Lopey, which is one of our
[58:01] projects.
[58:02] And
[58:03] I wasn't aware of water rolling over,
[58:06] which I why I think this public hearing
[58:07] is so important, of water rolling over C
[58:09] Pines drive in that area. But I I wasn't
[58:13] aware of water going over Kent Road. And
[58:16] that that bothers me cuz if the water's
[58:17] over the roadway, it's got to be in the
[58:19] streets beside it. It's got to be in the
[58:21] yards, etc. And granted these stormwater
[58:24] rules, they do treat water quality,
[58:26] but they don't do anything as far as
[58:27] holding water back more than like we
[58:31] were were led to believe as far as
[58:32] quantity goes.
[58:34] Uh with Swift Mud's review, it's good,
[58:37] but it doesn't protect what's around it.
[58:38] It protects what's right there on the
[58:40] property itself.
[58:42] So as much as Mr. Hobby, I've been
[58:43] working with you very intensely on this,
[58:45] I thought with Kent Road the residents
[58:47] would be real happy, but I'm really
[58:48] getting some reservations about this. I
[58:50] don't want to make the flooding worse
[58:52] than what's there. And the concerns I'm
[58:53] hearing from the residents seem to be
[58:54] pretty pretty legit.
[58:56] >> Well, if I might, Commissioner, I think
[58:57] there's a little bit of confusion there.
[58:58] The area there we're talking about the
[59:00] water going over the road is north of
[59:02] our project access. That's not where
[59:05] people are driving from this community
[59:07] south. This is north.
[59:09] It's north of our project. So we won't
[59:11] have any effect on that one way or the
[59:12] other. But I I I'll let Jordan testify,
[59:15] but it's very clear
[59:17] the community you're talking about and
[59:20] the community that's next to this were
[59:22] built before the current Swift Mud rules
[59:24] requiring that all the drainage be
[59:26] retained on-site.
[59:28] So, that may be the case in Sea Pines.
[59:30] That was built pre-85,
[59:33] but that's not what we're going to have
[59:35] to do. Well, it's not about water
[59:36] quality, just just about water quality.
[59:39] We can't increase the pre-development
[59:41] flow of water onto our neighbors under
[59:44] the county and Swiftmud rules. We cannot
[59:46] do it.
[59:47] >> You say that you cannot do it, but you
[59:49] know, we we've had these basins of
[59:50] special concern when I first got
[59:52] elected. Tim Brooks was one of them.
[59:54] Trinity was another one. We put these
[59:55] rules in place because even the rules
[59:57] that Swiftmud put in place weren't
[59:59] enough to hold the water back.
[1:00:00] >> But this isn't a basin of special
[1:00:02] concern. Okay.
[1:00:03] >> What I And I The reason I brought up
[1:00:05] Foxwood is because that was an area that
[1:00:06] was had some issues with flooding,
[1:00:08] right? So, it wasn't like it was never
[1:00:09] before. But even with the other
[1:00:11] development coming in caused them to
[1:00:13] have to go spend even more money and us
[1:00:15] to go out and spend more money to go fix
[1:00:17] the extra ground that was brought in
[1:00:20] that pushes water out to the side when
[1:00:22] elevations change. Because if you're not
[1:00:23] going to build to the same ground level
[1:00:25] here, that changes as well. And you can
[1:00:27] say it holds in there, but you have
[1:00:29] storm events that as they get higher, it
[1:00:31] goes. And let's face it, we see the
[1:00:32] water coming from the north. I don't
[1:00:33] know exactly where this comes from, but
[1:00:35] you look at the Anclote when it starts
[1:00:37] up north in the Anclote, by the time it
[1:00:39] gets down to Elfers and Trinity,
[1:00:40] that thing's not only taken over out of
[1:00:42] its banks, but it's taken over,
[1:00:45] you know, hope names and hope
[1:00:47] homes and neighbors that are right
[1:00:48] beside it that that flow down. So, it
[1:00:51] builds and like I said, everything's in
[1:00:53] a everything's a factor. Even with the
[1:00:54] building rules in place, if a big event
[1:00:56] comes up,
[1:00:57] it can be different from what the rules
[1:00:59] say they're protecting you on.
[1:01:01] >> One thing that's that's unique and and
[1:01:03] really neat in the residence about this
[1:01:04] area is if you look at the old aerials,
[1:01:06] it's it is a beautiful orange grove in
[1:01:09] the '60s, '70s, and before the freeze in
[1:01:10] the '80s. And it is that way because it
[1:01:13] is high and dry. The south side of this
[1:01:15] property is a localized high point that
[1:01:17] drains into the the slough there. And
[1:01:19] what What found is a lot of these lots
[1:01:21] were platted before plat rules, so
[1:01:22] everyone owns into the wetlands.
[1:01:25] And they wonder, "Why is my lot wet?"
[1:01:27] It's because they own into the wetlands.
[1:01:30] They own the wetlands. Versus today, we
[1:01:32] set those aside and we preserve them.
[1:01:34] But I want that The most important thing
[1:01:35] I want to take away is that this type of
[1:01:37] property
[1:01:38] that all that flooding is contained to
[1:01:40] the wetland system and the slough, and
[1:01:42] these orange groves are as much as 15-20
[1:01:44] ft, and the houses are well up above it.
[1:01:46] It's not like an old relic cypress
[1:01:47] system that was cleared long before ERP
[1:01:50] rules in the '80s, and we built houses
[1:01:52] too low. We've seen that out where
[1:01:53] there's road and bridge districts, and
[1:01:55] they have roadside swales that are full
[1:01:56] of water in East Pasco because they're
[1:01:58] too low. That's not the case. You look
[1:02:00] at aerials here, these are old orange
[1:02:01] groves. You'll notice that the Kent
[1:02:03] Grove is sandy and dry. Um they have
[1:02:05] dust in the dry season because that is
[1:02:07] the topography and the natural part of
[1:02:09] this area. Um so I just want you to know
[1:02:10] that it is very This is very different
[1:02:12] than other
[1:02:13] pre-'84 subdivisions that have existing
[1:02:16] flooding conditions. This is not that
[1:02:18] case.
[1:02:18] >> And and I appreciate it. Let me Let me
[1:02:20] throw this back to you, though.
[1:02:21] Think about now that you've got white
[1:02:23] sandy soils are up there. Before there
[1:02:25] are orange orange groves that soak up
[1:02:27] the water, now the sand just goes down.
[1:02:29] It's probably better than what it would
[1:02:30] be post development. Post development,
[1:02:32] you're going to have how many roads, how
[1:02:34] much impervious surface is going to be
[1:02:35] out there, and what's that going to do
[1:02:37] for the effect?
[1:02:38] >> We're actually working with We're
[1:02:39] actually looking at some percolation and
[1:02:41] treatment on this because of the new
[1:02:42] stormwater rule. So we're actually
[1:02:43] talking to Deputy Truitt, head of DEP,
[1:02:45] and some other folks and you and
[1:02:46] starting to look into that on this one.
[1:02:48] So um and again, we're doing the geotext
[1:02:50] so that we can perk water.
[1:02:52] Um we are
[1:02:54] making sure that there's no rise in the
[1:02:56] flood plain around us, that there's no
[1:02:57] impact. And uh and the water water
[1:02:59] quality will be improved as well.
[1:03:01] >> Uh let me ask let me ask this question
[1:03:02] to the applicant. Uh yes, Mark, and and
[1:03:05] then
[1:03:05] >> have
[1:03:06] >> Okay.
[1:03:06] >> I, you know, I I appreciate that you
[1:03:08] guys can work with us. I know Kent
[1:03:09] Grove, that roadway going in has just
[1:03:11] been a disaster for years and years. The
[1:03:13] complaints I get are continual. So
[1:03:15] you're working with me, staff thought so
[1:03:17] much of it they pushed the project
[1:03:18] forward whether this gets approved or
[1:03:20] not. [clears throat]
[1:03:21] You still got to deal with the the
[1:03:22] utility issue as well.
[1:03:24] I would like to take the time to
[1:03:25] actually go out there with you with you
[1:03:26] with the residents. Go look let's go
[1:03:28] look at this thing over a little bit and
[1:03:29] then let's bring it back next month back
[1:03:32] to us.
[1:03:34] >> I Commissioner, I don't know that we're
[1:03:37] going to solve an engineering issue. I
[1:03:39] don't either.
[1:03:40] With you know, first of all we're both
[1:03:42] layman. So I don't know what that's
[1:03:43] going to offer to the equation. I'm
[1:03:46] always happy to do that with you. Can I
[1:03:48] first
[1:03:50] you made another recommendation that if
[1:03:52] we let the 375 guys that we didn't
[1:03:55] contribute that could we
[1:03:57] do an even larger lot size and I did
[1:04:01] talk to to my client Mr. Ryan. He said
[1:04:04] we could go to 65-foot lot but and that
[1:04:07] will reduce the number of lots probably
[1:04:09] to like 75 74 but I
[1:04:13] I don't know it might be slightly less
[1:04:15] than that but I I think we have a great
[1:04:18] project Commissioner. I will make this
[1:04:20] commitment to you.
[1:04:22] If you want to meet with me, you want to
[1:04:23] meet with Jordan. If this project the
[1:04:25] zoning goes through, I will still meet
[1:04:27] with you. I will meet with the neighbors
[1:04:30] with you. We'll tour the site. We will
[1:04:32] do everything with the McBrides to work
[1:04:34] with them to make sure that we engineer
[1:04:36] this in the most responsible way that we
[1:04:38] can so that we do not impact the system
[1:04:41] going through there. I will do that. You
[1:04:43] have our word. Our client's here.
[1:04:46] He is a very trustworthy guy. He's been
[1:04:48] around the Bay Area a long time. We will
[1:04:51] figure this out with you. We will do the
[1:04:53] responsible thing. You have my word and
[1:04:56] Jordan and I will be out there with you.
[1:04:58] >> It's
[1:04:59] Mr. Obey, it's not your word that I I
[1:05:00] question but
[1:05:03] in something like this just what we're
[1:05:05] looking at
[1:05:07] if you'd spend the time with me and I've
[1:05:08] spent a 22 years working on stormwater
[1:05:10] stuff.
[1:05:11] Seen a lot of things and my staff
[1:05:12] actually listen to a lot of things I
[1:05:14] have and we've solved a lot of things. I
[1:05:16] don't want to make the situation worse.
[1:05:18] If you want to give me the time for a
[1:05:19] continuance,
[1:05:20] >> I I'm with I'm with you, but my
[1:05:22] Mr. Chairman, my only point being you're
[1:05:24] talking about an engineering issue. I
[1:05:26] don't believe that that's relevant to
[1:05:29] this zoning.
[1:05:30] >> The flooding is the issue that I'm
[1:05:32] worried about and if if I can
[1:05:34] take a closer look at the situation
[1:05:35] around it, maybe so, but from what I'm
[1:05:37] hearing from the residents, it's
[1:05:39] different from
[1:05:40] um what I thought was out there and
[1:05:42] their concerns
[1:05:44] uh they're resonating and I think
[1:05:46] I wish you'd
[1:05:47] give this a little bit of thought here.
[1:05:48] And I'll give you a minute if you want
[1:05:49] to take it.
[1:06:02] >> [snorts]
[1:06:04] >> Chairman.
[1:06:05] >> Mr. Waitman.
[1:06:06] >> Examples of of projects like this are
[1:06:09] going to come are going to become more
[1:06:11] frequent as more folks move here.
[1:06:14] These infill projects in these
[1:06:16] kind of rural semi-rural communities
[1:06:20] and they're going to be
[1:06:22] challenging to the residents
[1:06:25] uh because it's change
[1:06:27] uh and challenging to the boards,
[1:06:29] whoever the board is,
[1:06:31] to strike the right balance and what's
[1:06:34] healthy
[1:06:35] for the existing neighborhood and also
[1:06:37] the needs of road infrastructure, storm
[1:06:39] water,
[1:06:40] etc.
[1:06:42] And so this is an example, I guess this
[1:06:44] comments to staff
[1:06:46] uh with the good neighbor policies that
[1:06:48] we're working on
[1:06:49] uh planning and development staff that,
[1:06:51] you know,
[1:06:53] with really understanding the history of
[1:06:56] the site
[1:06:57] because every piece of land that's like
[1:06:59] this, it's last to come in when
[1:07:01] everything around it's built built out
[1:07:04] and it's been that way for a for a time,
[1:07:06] it's it's going to be a challenge. It
[1:07:09] doesn't matter for which community. It's
[1:07:12] it's going to be a challenge for the
[1:07:13] board and it's going to be a challenge
[1:07:14] for them.
[1:07:15] We have to find a way to strike, you
[1:07:18] know, the the rights of the landowner
[1:07:20] and and their and what they're entitled
[1:07:22] to with with their property. It's not
[1:07:24] necessarily their fault that
[1:07:26] they've waited whatever their
[1:07:27] circumstance is for if or when they sell
[1:07:30] their property and this is just an
[1:07:31] example of that.
[1:07:33] And I think our county and our staff
[1:07:37] uh needs to be become
[1:07:39] uh much more proficient
[1:07:41] uh
[1:07:42] in in how we manage
[1:07:44] um projects like this that that come in
[1:07:47] and working with residents and and
[1:07:49] whatnot. I'm not saying that there
[1:07:50] hasn't been.
[1:07:51] I'm just saying this we're going to
[1:07:52] we're going to see
[1:07:54] uh more and more infill style projects
[1:07:57] like this coming in and it's going to be
[1:07:59] bumpy.
[1:08:00] So.
[1:08:00] >> And I'll I'll tell you Commissioner I
[1:08:01] mean I mean I respectfully appreciate
[1:08:03] that cuz it is a struggle and then it
[1:08:05] goes all over the county.
[1:08:06] Um but what
[1:08:08] concerns me a little bit as well is I I
[1:08:09] did meet with Cody McBride before. We
[1:08:11] talked about this. Thought he had
[1:08:12] objections. I asked him to go back
[1:08:14] work with work with the applicant etc.
[1:08:16] Seen on consent.
[1:08:18] I'd say I thought we had the thing
[1:08:19] resolved.
[1:08:21] Um
[1:08:22] at last month's meeting or 2 weeks ago
[1:08:23] we had the meeting at in Dade City.
[1:08:26] Mr. McBride and and Cody were both in
[1:08:28] the audience asked if it was going to be
[1:08:29] continued.
[1:08:30] I showed them that it was going to be
[1:08:31] continued and they were comfortable.
[1:08:34] So to see it come back under consent
[1:08:36] um you know, I know our our staff's got
[1:08:39] this program from before about get it
[1:08:41] through get it through find a way to
[1:08:42] yes, but you know, sometimes we got to
[1:08:44] step back a little bit. I've got a
[1:08:45] project coming up here in Denton that
[1:08:47] we're going to be hearing of in a little
[1:08:48] bit
[1:08:49] that
[1:08:50] I I've got some issues with how we
[1:08:51] brought that thing forward. So had this
[1:08:53] not been on consent,
[1:08:55] um
[1:08:56] I'd probably more much more comfortable
[1:08:57] with it. If it was on regular I'd been
[1:08:59] more comfortable with it, but
[1:09:00] clearly staff thought everything was
[1:09:02] okay.
[1:09:03] And the only time we put someone on
[1:09:04] consent is if everything's good.
[1:09:06] When there are no objections because one
[1:09:08] person can pull it off. Like just to Mr.
[1:09:10] Yager, she's got the other one coming
[1:09:11] right behind this.
[1:09:12] She's she had to go pull it and she's
[1:09:14] got dirt clear reasons why.
[1:09:16] And consent should be something that's
[1:09:20] smooth with everything taken care of.
[1:09:22] And this just hasn't been done that way.
[1:09:23] So, because of the consent, I thought we
[1:09:26] were done. I'd have this discussion with
[1:09:27] you before. I I don't like doing this
[1:09:28] here. I'd rather work things out with
[1:09:30] you, the residents, ahead of time. So,
[1:09:32] I'll ask you one more time. Do you want
[1:09:33] to continue this to the next meeting in
[1:09:35] New Port Richey?
[1:09:36] >> I have one other thing that I thought I
[1:09:37] might bring up. We used to do this back
[1:09:39] in the day. What if we brought the site
[1:09:42] plan approval to the board for its
[1:09:45] review and approval?
[1:09:47] That way you get the same say-so. These
[1:09:49] are engineering issues, Commissioner.
[1:09:51] And we have to make sure we do the right
[1:09:53] job on the engineering. So, I'm okay and
[1:09:56] the client's okay with bringing that
[1:09:57] back to the board for its approval.
[1:09:59] >> Yeah, but I'd rather they have both had
[1:10:00] a little more flexibility at this point
[1:10:01] than they do at the next So, I'd rather
[1:10:04] >> But is is aren't these really
[1:10:05] engineering issues?
[1:10:07] >> No, these are like real life issues what
[1:10:08] people have to live with in the
[1:10:09] neighborhood.
[1:10:10] >> I I I realize that, but it's
[1:10:11] >> People don't just go from the south
[1:10:13] coming up here. You heard they go up to
[1:10:15] the north, too.
[1:10:16] So, if I get a dirt road that's flooded
[1:10:18] up with water that's gone over it,
[1:10:19] washed it out, and I can talk about
[1:10:22] plenty of projects like that. It's not
[1:10:24] just going north-south. This is going
[1:10:27] south to north as well.
[1:10:29] So, I'm asking you one more time.
[1:10:32] Can you continue this 30 more days till
[1:10:34] we bring it back to the board?
[1:10:35] >> continue it, that means that it will be
[1:10:37] the applicant and the board discussing
[1:10:40] the matter.
[1:10:41] >> And the residents.
[1:10:41] >> The the public So, the public's going to
[1:10:43] get another crack at after they were
[1:10:45] already spoken?
[1:10:46] >> Absolutely.
[1:10:47] >> Yeah.
[1:10:48] Hold on.
[1:10:49] >> Yes.
[1:10:50] There's not that many people.
[1:10:52] But if you've addressed it with
[1:10:53] everybody, you get everybody calm, then
[1:10:54] everything's okay.
[1:10:57] >> Chairman.
[1:10:58] >> Has Has there been Has anybody seen a
[1:11:01] potential layout for site plans?
[1:11:03] >> We We provided one to staff.
[1:11:05] >> But has the resident seen it?
[1:11:07] >> Yes, we showed it to them at the the
[1:11:09] community meeting we had.
[1:11:15] >> Cuz sometimes a site plan gives folks a
[1:11:17] better level of
[1:11:19] comfort, but
[1:11:20] um
[1:11:22] the resident commissioner is
[1:11:24] not comfortable here, so
[1:11:28] >> [snorts]
[1:11:28] >> professional courtesy to him.
[1:11:30] >> I We will agree to to a continuance. My
[1:11:33] My only concern is I don't you know,
[1:11:36] we've had a public hearing today. People
[1:11:38] have had the right to speak.
[1:11:40] I don't know why we would have another
[1:11:42] full public hearing.
[1:11:43] >> They have new information.
[1:11:46] >> If they want to testify as to the new
[1:11:48] information, that would be appropriate,
[1:11:50] but I don't think it's appropriate that
[1:11:52] they're able to speak again and comment
[1:11:54] when they
[1:11:55] >> did it.
[1:11:55] >> And again, I don't think it's
[1:11:56] appropriate we had so many on consent.
[1:11:58] We had so many people objecting. Think
[1:12:00] about that. This shouldn't have This
[1:12:01] should not have happened this way.
[1:12:03] >> I I agree. I don't know why it was on
[1:12:05] consent, Commissioner, cuz Mr. McBride
[1:12:07] spoke at that He was the only one that I
[1:12:08] didn't put it on there. I had no idea.
[1:12:10] >> I thought you had it resolved, so
[1:12:11] thereby it's not a good situation. I
[1:12:14] want to start fresh.
[1:12:15] >> again, well, let let's agree to the
[1:12:17] continuance for 1 month.
[1:12:19] And we'll work with you and your staff
[1:12:22] and go out and meet in the field and see
[1:12:24] what we can learn to If there's some way
[1:12:26] to improve the project, we'll do that.
[1:12:28] >> Very good.
[1:12:29] >> Okay?
[1:12:30] >> Do I have a motion?
[1:12:31] >> Move to
[1:12:31] >> continuance.
[1:12:32] >> Second for
[1:12:33] >> Roll call vote.
[1:12:34] >> Commissioner Freeman
[1:12:41] >> Commissioner Miranda, we will need to
[1:12:42] get Commissioner Mulroy. I'm kidding,
[1:12:44] but she lives up here to the north, just
[1:12:46] a
[1:12:47] >> All right.
[1:12:48] It's okay to continue it, but
[1:12:50] Commissioner,
[1:12:51] our client is saying it's imperative
[1:12:53] that when we have this meeting that the
[1:12:54] county's stormwater people
[1:12:56] are out at at the site cuz we need
[1:12:58] people with a technical expertise.
[1:13:00] >> you wish to have out there.
[1:13:00] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:13:01] >> go on record with one more thing. Just
[1:13:04] about the immediate concern. If you look
[1:13:05] on Do you have the map back up?
[1:13:08] If you look at the map, I'm going to
[1:13:09] walk over here to point and try to talk
[1:13:10] loud, too. So,
[1:13:13] subject property
[1:13:14] >> You want to give him a mic?
[1:13:15] >> We can't pick you up. We need to give
[1:13:16] you a mic.
[1:13:20] >> Subject property
[1:13:24] Subject property is here and drains
[1:13:25] northwest.
[1:13:27] Primary access is to 52.
[1:13:29] Secondary only is Lucerne, not Kent
[1:13:32] Grove.
[1:13:33] To go to 41, you take Lucerne. Only the
[1:13:35] residents to the north that live off
[1:13:37] High that simply pass by this
[1:13:39] project use Kent Grove Road where the
[1:13:41] drainage conveyance is right here. So, I
[1:13:43] just want to make it known that this is
[1:13:45] a pass-by condition that is not
[1:13:47] attributed to this project. We'll look
[1:13:48] at the field, but I'm going
[1:13:48] >> We're going to We're going to look at
[1:13:49] everything.
[1:13:50] >> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner.
[1:13:52] >> a second. Roll call vote.
[1:13:53] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley?
[1:13:55] >> I.
[1:13:55] >> District 2, Commissioner Waitman?
[1:13:57] >> I.
[1:13:57] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey?
[1:14:00] >> I.
[1:14:00] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager?
[1:14:02] >> I.
[1:14:02] >> District 5, Chairman Mariano?
[1:14:04] >> I.
[1:14:05] Motion passes. Now, item 52,
[1:14:09] we have a presentation from staff.
[1:14:15] >> Do we need a presentation?
[1:14:17] >> Oh, you can
[1:14:19] recommend [clears throat]
[1:14:21] Just go ahead and make your comments.
[1:14:23] >> Good afternoon, Commissioners. Vassilios
[1:14:25] Sovocepos, Planning Development and
[1:14:26] Economic Growth. And
[1:14:29] just looking for the clicker here.
[1:14:32] >> Very good.
[1:14:33] >> So, this is item PDE 26-7914.
[1:14:38] This is a zoning amendment for rezoning
[1:14:41] from R-4 high-density residential
[1:14:43] district, C-1 neighborhood commercial
[1:14:45] district, and AC agricultural district
[1:14:48] to AC 2 general commercial district. The
[1:14:50] future land use is ROR, retail, office,
[1:14:54] and residential. And the purpose of this
[1:14:56] rezoning is to allow for C2 general
[1:14:59] commercial uses, including a gas
[1:15:01] station, and convenience store, quick
[1:15:02] service restaurant, or strip retail.
[1:15:05] >> [snorts]
[1:15:06] >> This is located at the northeast corner
[1:15:07] at the intersection of Little Road and
[1:15:09] Teakettle Road.
[1:15:11] You can see a county location map here
[1:15:13] showing that the property is located in
[1:15:15] the West area market.
[1:15:20] An aerial location map.
[1:15:24] An additional context map showing the
[1:15:27] 1,000-ft radius around the subject site.
[1:15:29] To the immediate east is the Newport
[1:15:31] Corners Northeast Village, and then a
[1:15:34] little bit to the south you can see the
[1:15:35] remainder of Newport Corners, along with
[1:15:37] some of the other sites in the area.
[1:15:43] You'll see here on the future land use
[1:15:45] map that we have two parcels
[1:15:47] highlighted. Um the subject site does
[1:15:49] take those two um parcels, and they are
[1:15:51] both
[1:15:52] um designated as retail office
[1:15:54] residential.
[1:15:56] And then on the existing zoning map, it
[1:15:58] does get a little bit more complicated
[1:16:00] in terms of the lining. So, you'll see
[1:16:02] that on the southern parcel, there is a
[1:16:05] um
[1:16:06] a cut off there where part of it is C1
[1:16:08] and part of it is AC, while the northern
[1:16:10] parcel is R4.
[1:16:15] And so, as mentioned, those two parcels
[1:16:16] do contribute to a total acreage of 2.3
[1:16:19] acres.
[1:16:20] Um access to the property is being
[1:16:22] proposed from Little Road, a county main
[1:16:24] maintained arterial roadway. Um and it
[1:16:26] is adjacent to Teakettle
[1:16:29] Road. Um in addition, the applicant did
[1:16:32] volunteer to a deed restriction for the
[1:16:34] Live Local Act, as well as a prohibition
[1:16:36] of uses to maintain um you know,
[1:16:38] consistency with the area and
[1:16:40] compatibility with surrounding uses.
[1:16:42] Additionally, the applicant did agree to
[1:16:44] a binding concept plan for the use of a
[1:16:46] gas station. That binding concept plan
[1:16:48] was based on specific standards
[1:16:51] that allowed for compatibility with
[1:16:53] Newport Corners enhanced architectural
[1:16:55] detail
[1:16:56] and pedestrian facilities to accommodate
[1:16:59] um
[1:17:00] the general theme behind Newport Corners
[1:17:02] and walkability.
[1:17:03] Uh in addition to that binding concept
[1:17:05] plan, there was also provision in the
[1:17:07] deed restriction that required the
[1:17:09] applicant to
[1:17:11] not use a gas station on the site until
[1:17:13] one of the other two gas stations had
[1:17:15] been removed and ceased operations or if
[1:17:19] um
[1:17:20] Dickublis Road was expanded to four
[1:17:21] lanes, which is currently on the CIP
[1:17:24] project list for 2029.
[1:17:28] And so with that, PDE recommends
[1:17:29] approval of this zoning amendment.
[1:17:31] >> But thank you. Is the applicant
[1:17:35] Is there an applicant here?
[1:17:36] >> Yes.
[1:17:36] >> Okay.
[1:17:38] >> You're the applicant?
[1:17:39] >> Yes.
[1:17:40] Any [clears throat] Any questions for
[1:17:41] staff? I'm sorry.
[1:17:42] >> Uh just comment. Uh
[1:17:44] It's nice to see what three of the four
[1:17:46] corners are usable.
[1:17:48] That's We don't normally get three of
[1:17:51] the four corners. We might get one or
[1:17:52] half uh of the four corners. So,
[1:17:56] uh planning-wise, it's an improvement
[1:17:58] and recognize that. That's all, chair.
[1:18:01] >> Yeah, but but is it if three of them
[1:18:03] were gas stations?
[1:18:05] >> It My point is that they're hard corners
[1:18:09] and they can be used They're not
[1:18:10] stormwater ponds,
[1:18:12] which is poor planning.
[1:18:15] >> [clears throat]
[1:18:15] >> Okay.
[1:18:16] All right. The applicant?
[1:18:17] >> Okay, Mr. Stark, can I speak?
[1:18:19] >> Uh Mr. Stark, you go ahead. Sorry.
[1:18:22] >> Yeah, um at first I wasn't in favor of
[1:18:25] this of a gas station being allowed
[1:18:27] here, but the applicant had a the
[1:18:32] the gas station catty-corner to this
[1:18:35] site um
[1:18:37] has indicated that they are going to be
[1:18:40] taking out their gas station and putting
[1:18:43] in, I think a,
[1:18:44] something else, so,
[1:18:46] um,
[1:18:47] that made me a little more comfortable
[1:18:49] with this one and I also like the way
[1:18:52] the siding is required to make it kind
[1:18:54] of a pedestrian
[1:18:56] uh,
[1:18:57] friendly
[1:18:59] uh, neighborhood store type of deal.
[1:19:01] [clears throat]
[1:19:03] >> So, which which one do you think might
[1:19:04] be going away?
[1:19:05] Commissioner Starkey?
[1:19:07] >> Mac's right.
[1:19:08] >> So, the one on the southwest corner, um,
[1:19:10] did come in for a site plan. Uh, hasn't
[1:19:12] been approved yet. It's for the first
[1:19:14] round of review and that's all the
[1:19:15] further information I have on that. Um,
[1:19:18] but the idea is there for them to to
[1:19:20] reestablish a new use on the site.
[1:19:22] >> And that'd be a Mobile station. The
[1:19:23] Mobile station would be going away.
[1:19:24] >> Yep.
[1:19:24] >> Okay.
[1:19:24] >> I just, I just want to go back to three
[1:19:27] at the four corners will be brownfields.
[1:19:31] >> So, I I do remember, um,
[1:19:34] and and that I think you can correct me
[1:19:35] if I'm wrong. I think there was
[1:19:36] mitigation on the one site that that
[1:19:38] he's proposing gas station use on that
[1:19:39] was already mitigated. It was previously
[1:19:41] a gas station some years ago, um,
[1:19:44] but I can let him talk when he likes.
[1:19:46] >> area I live in and I don't know many
[1:19:49] areas, other areas that have three gas
[1:19:52] stations on three out of the four
[1:19:54] corners. I I do not think it's a good
[1:19:56] look. I don't think it's it's good for
[1:19:58] our soil when you have three
[1:19:59] brownfields. Um,
[1:20:03] I'm just I'm just not for this project
[1:20:05] at all, so.
[1:20:07] >> So, I understand your concerns,
[1:20:08] Commissioner. I think the the intent
[1:20:09] behind the deed restriction was to, um,
[1:20:12] try to enhance the gas station in any
[1:20:14] capacity. If they were to go to C1 and
[1:20:16] they were to make the whole the whole
[1:20:18] lot C1, they could still get a uh,
[1:20:20] a gas station under a special exception
[1:20:22] use, which would be very similar in
[1:20:23] terms of submitting, um, you know,
[1:20:25] specific criteria and standards that
[1:20:27] they would have to follow. So, we did
[1:20:28] our best to kind of follow suit with
[1:20:29] that.
[1:20:30] >> So, can I ask [snorts] you a question?
[1:20:31] So, we're trying to make walkable
[1:20:32] communities, right, in our planning?
[1:20:33] [clears throat]
[1:20:34] So, we have this community, Newport
[1:20:37] Corners, that we want to make sure that
[1:20:38] we have trails and we have paths so
[1:20:40] people can get to what, three gas
[1:20:41] stations?
[1:20:44] I mean, that sounds great.
[1:20:46] >> Uh the town's future is planning
[1:20:48] development and economic growth.
[1:20:49] Uh that was the impetus behind a lot of
[1:20:52] the deed restricting that's taking place
[1:20:53] on the particular property to get a
[1:20:55] better design
[1:20:56] out of the site
[1:20:58] rather than just getting a typically gas
[1:21:00] station like my like as are on the south
[1:21:02] side of the cubicles on the east and
[1:21:04] west.
[1:21:04] >> You can make it look however great you
[1:21:06] want, it's still a gas station, Terry.
[1:21:09] Like you can walk to this gas station,
[1:21:11] this gas station, or this gas station,
[1:21:13] but it's still a gas station.
[1:21:15] So, why can't we have something better
[1:21:18] in our community on four of the corners?
[1:21:22] >> Correct. And
[1:21:23] ultimately the C2 zoning district
[1:21:27] enables the capability for a gas station
[1:21:29] on there. So,
[1:21:30] >> I'm fine with it without a gas station.
[1:21:32] >> Right.
[1:21:33] >> Yeah.
[1:21:34] >> So, to the but to the extent that there
[1:21:36] would be a gas station,
[1:21:38] there are far more stringent controls on
[1:21:40] this property through the deed
[1:21:41] restriction than there would be on a
[1:21:43] typical C2 lot.
[1:21:50] >> Good afternoon. Uh Joe Kokalikas, I have
[1:21:52] been sworn in. And
[1:21:55] number one, I want to thank you thank
[1:21:56] you, Commissioner Yeager. I met with
[1:21:58] Commissioner Starkey and Commissioner
[1:21:59] Yeager separately to discuss this
[1:22:01] project. And and and try to communicate
[1:22:05] that I'm not here to plan a gas station.
[1:22:08] Um over the course and you know, I don't
[1:22:11] want to commend the commissioner for
[1:22:12] letting me know way back then that she
[1:22:14] was against this project cuz she did
[1:22:15] have concerns about three gas stations
[1:22:18] on this intersection. And what I'd like
[1:22:21] to clarify is there will never be three
[1:22:23] gas stations at this intersection
[1:22:26] because the only way that I would ever
[1:22:29] be able to build a gas station on this
[1:22:30] intersection is if one of the other two
[1:22:33] closed. So, at the most there would be
[1:22:35] two gas stations on this intersection.
[1:22:37] Secondly,
[1:22:39] the commissioner keeps on referring to
[1:22:40] this as a brownfield site and saying it
[1:22:42] would be one of three brownfield sites,
[1:22:45] and I'd like to remind the commissioner
[1:22:46] that
[1:22:48] when I bought purchased this property 20
[1:22:50] years ago, just before the ribbon
[1:22:53] cutting of the Pasco County Courthouse
[1:22:55] that my company built, where
[1:22:56] Commissioner Mariano was there and we
[1:22:58] were both a lot younger, um
[1:23:01] that property was a gas station. It was
[1:23:03] a mobile station. It was contaminated.
[1:23:06] I cleaned up that site and obtained an F
[1:23:09] F NFA letter, a no further action letter
[1:23:12] from the state. So, it is not a
[1:23:14] brownfield. It was previously
[1:23:15] contaminated, now it's a clean site. Um
[1:23:18] since then, over the course of the 20
[1:23:20] years, I bought Joe Little's house that
[1:23:22] was immediately to the east,
[1:23:24] and then we bought Coastal Engineering's
[1:23:26] property uh immediately to the north,
[1:23:28] for the sole purpose of assembling this
[1:23:31] corner that has been an eyesore
[1:23:35] for 20 years.
[1:23:37] Um
[1:23:38] And
[1:23:39] developing that corner to its highest
[1:23:41] and best use. I never came with a plan
[1:23:45] for a gas station.
[1:23:46] I signed
[1:23:48] um
[1:23:49] a a an accepted a a site plan in the
[1:23:51] event that I did come with a gas station
[1:23:53] that had the setbacks and different uh
[1:23:55] limit the pumps, a limit things like
[1:23:57] that, just so we can kind of keep it on
[1:23:59] the table. What I could not do
[1:24:02] was agree in perpetuity, for the rest of
[1:24:05] my life, that there will never be a gas
[1:24:07] station on that corner, because this is
[1:24:10] a property that I assembled over these
[1:24:12] years to have something for my children.
[1:24:14] You know, I agreed to limit, you know, I
[1:24:16] won't have a car wash. Not that I have
[1:24:17] anything against car washes, but I'm
[1:24:19] just as frustrated as you. You know,
[1:24:20] cabinet shops, self-storage facilities,
[1:24:22] auto repair garages, lumber yards. I
[1:24:24] went through the entire list that staff
[1:24:27] proposed and agreed to them. Um and I
[1:24:30] agreed because
[1:24:32] I've also been a property owner in this
[1:24:34] county for 40 years. The first land that
[1:24:36] we bought in Pasco County was to go
[1:24:38] hunting on on State Road 52 and we still
[1:24:40] have that land, but unlike the other
[1:24:42] people in the previous thing, we can't
[1:24:44] shoot there anymore. Things changed on
[1:24:46] 52. But what I will tell you is that I'm
[1:24:49] here to create value for for my family,
[1:24:54] for the county, and and find a way to
[1:24:58] develop that site properly. I had
[1:25:00] someone call me yesterday about a hotel.
[1:25:02] I had someone call me, you know,
[1:25:04] previously about the gas stations, which
[1:25:06] again, today's gas stations aren't like
[1:25:08] other years.
[1:25:10] Um you know, but you know,
[1:25:13] my objection here is the county
[1:25:17] requiring that in perpetuity I
[1:25:20] eliminated use just because there's two
[1:25:22] others currently on the site. We kind of
[1:25:24] know one is already going away and I
[1:25:26] agreed that I would never even propose
[1:25:28] one
[1:25:29] unless one of the two went away. So, I
[1:25:32] appreciate your concern. I get it, you
[1:25:34] know, live it living here as well.
[1:25:36] But I sincerely believe that, you know,
[1:25:38] we went through a lot with staff
[1:25:41] to reach this,
[1:25:43] you know,
[1:25:44] amicable, you know, mutually agreed upon
[1:25:47] solution
[1:25:48] and and I would urge that you that you
[1:25:50] vote for it.
[1:25:51] Um and in the event that sometime in the
[1:25:53] future we come up with a gas station,
[1:25:55] you have significant controls over the
[1:25:58] appearance of it and everything else.
[1:25:59] But all I want to do is reinforce A,
[1:26:02] there'll never be three gas stations. B,
[1:26:04] you don't have three brownfields sites
[1:26:06] because my site's clean. And C, I'm not
[1:26:08] here pitching a gas station. All I want
[1:26:10] to do is assemble three pieces of
[1:26:12] property, rezone them. One's
[1:26:14] residential, one's commercial, one's
[1:26:17] professional. And that's it.
[1:26:19] >> And
[1:26:19] >> Just just so we're clear I was talking
[1:26:22] if you had a gas station on it we'd have
[1:26:23] three Brownfields because I remember
[1:26:25] having the conversation with you and
[1:26:27] also to the point where I said if this
[1:26:29] was in your neighborhood would you want
[1:26:31] three gas stations on each corner and
[1:26:33] you said no.
[1:26:34] >> If it was a nice one like a Thornton's
[1:26:35] or a Wawa where I can get lunch. But
[1:26:37] anyway, number one it's only a
[1:26:39] Brownfield if it's contaminated and you
[1:26:41] know and I don't really understand the
[1:26:42] technology honestly gas stations but you
[1:26:45] can't call any gas station a Brownfield.
[1:26:47] It's a it's a service that we all
[1:26:49] actually use at least once a week. So I
[1:26:52] you know
[1:26:53] and the two gas stations that are
[1:26:54] currently there are outdated and
[1:26:57] probably it's time for them you know I
[1:26:59] guess one is being replaced. Um, if
[1:27:02] again the remote chance that we were
[1:27:04] going to move forward with a gas station
[1:27:05] proposal it would come before here. The
[1:27:08] design would be within your
[1:27:10] your control and you know and and in
[1:27:14] that chance
[1:27:15] you know I would have to submit to
[1:27:16] everything but for you to ask me
[1:27:19] in perpetuity for my kids to be looking
[1:27:21] at this site in 30 years and never be
[1:27:23] able to put a gas station on it because
[1:27:25] you don't want one in your neighborhood
[1:27:27] is not fair.
[1:27:34] >> So to be clear
[1:27:35] there'll never be three gas stations cuz
[1:27:37] you will put a third one in when there's
[1:27:39] already two there.
[1:27:40] >> That's in this agreement, yes.
[1:27:45] >> All right. Are you willing to bring the
[1:27:47] site plan back if it is to be a gas
[1:27:48] station before the board?
[1:27:50] >> Yes.
[1:27:51] >> That's already in the deed restriction.
[1:27:52] >> It's in the
[1:27:53] >> It requires that.
[1:27:55] Before the this board.
[1:27:56] >> Yes, before this board.
[1:27:57] >> Okay.
[1:27:58] That's a pretty good condition.
[1:28:05] >> Okay. Time for public comment.
[1:28:07] >> Actually Mr. Chairman I did want to
[1:28:08] >> Okay.
[1:28:09] >> Do I make one correction? So the deed
[1:28:10] restriction currently reads as the
[1:28:12] expansion or widening of Decubitus or
[1:28:16] one of the gas stations removed, we can
[1:28:17] change that to and if that's preferred
[1:28:19] by the board.
[1:28:20] >> I mean it's already on the CIP, so we
[1:28:21] know it's coming.
[1:28:22] >> Correct.
[1:28:23] >> So, there you go.
[1:28:24] >> want to restrict it?
[1:28:25] >> I think just to restrict it's purely if
[1:28:27] there's already two gas stations, the
[1:28:29] third one doesn't come.
[1:28:31] >> And also, I don't know why this is on
[1:28:32] consent, cuz I've not been My My first
[1:28:35] and only meeting was with
[1:28:37] Mr. It's I've never had a
[1:28:39] briefing with anyone on this.
[1:28:42] So.
[1:28:43] >> Okay.
[1:28:44] And then And just for future, I I really
[1:28:45] think anytime we're having
[1:28:47] a single person, whether on the
[1:28:49] commission or not, if there's
[1:28:50] opposition,
[1:28:52] it should not be on consent. It just
[1:28:53] delays the procedure and it puts
[1:28:55] misconceptions out there for the public
[1:28:57] and the rest of the board anyway.
[1:28:59] >> Absolutely, I understand that.
[1:29:01] >> So does the board want changes to that
[1:29:03] language?
[1:29:04] >> I I definitely think we want to have a
[1:29:06] language where you can't have more than
[1:29:07] two gas stations.
[1:29:08] >> Sorry, if that's desired, I would just
[1:29:10] remove the Decubitus Road language
[1:29:12] entirely.
[1:29:13] >> Okay.
[1:29:14] I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, dear.
[1:29:15] >> Just remove the Decubitus Road language
[1:29:17] entirely.
[1:29:19] >> I would like that.
[1:29:20] >> Okay.
[1:29:20] >> Okay. We'll get that to happen.
[1:29:25] >> Okay.
[1:29:25] >> Okay.
[1:29:27] >> Thank you.
[1:29:28] >> Mhm.
[1:29:28] >> All right, so it's time for public
[1:29:29] comment for this item. Anyone here in
[1:29:30] the audience here to speak to this item?
[1:29:32] >> No one has signed up.
[1:29:33] >> Is there anyone online?
[1:29:34] >> No one is online.
[1:29:36] >> All right, so it's to the board.
[1:29:39] >> Um if I could make a comment, um
[1:29:41] cuz I met with staff and Joe on this
[1:29:43] public
[1:29:45] at least once. Um and I agree with Lisa,
[1:29:47] it's having multiple gas stations on
[1:29:49] those corners is not is not great, but I
[1:29:52] think that if there were a gas station
[1:29:55] to come here, it's going to be a better
[1:29:58] product than
[1:29:59] than the one that will be left, and then
[1:30:01] that that other corner will get
[1:30:03] redeveloped.
[1:30:05] You know, that's a really old gas
[1:30:06] station, and who knows what's going on
[1:30:08] with that gas station, so
[1:30:10] that's why I'm in support of this as
[1:30:13] long as you've got all those
[1:30:14] restrictions that cover the siding and
[1:30:17] the architecture, etc.
[1:30:21] >> Okay.
[1:30:24] Case to the board.
[1:30:27] >> I'll move approval with the language
[1:30:29] change of the cubeless and I I agree
[1:30:32] with that again that
[1:30:34] to have a government restrict a hard
[1:30:36] corner to say no to particular use
[1:30:39] that's used on a hard corner for
[1:30:40] perpetuity is not necessarily a
[1:30:42] precedent that I I want to want to see
[1:30:46] in our decision-making process, but with
[1:30:49] the with the
[1:30:51] amended language from the county
[1:30:53] attorney, I'll make a motion to approve.
[1:30:55] >> Second.
[1:30:56] >> Mr.
[1:30:57] >> Roll call vote.
[1:30:58] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley.
[1:30:59] >> Aye.
[1:31:00] >> District 2, Commissioner Weitman.
[1:31:01] >> Aye.
[1:31:01] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey.
[1:31:04] >> Aye.
[1:31:05] >> District 4, Commissioner Yeager.
[1:31:06] >> Nay.
[1:31:07] >> District 5, Chairman Merliano.
[1:31:09] >> Aye. Motion passes 4-1.
[1:31:14] >> Okay. Moving to item P-54. We have
[1:31:17] proof.
[1:31:18] >> P-54, I have proof. Tampa Bay Times,
[1:31:20] April 1st, 2026 and by affidavit of
[1:31:23] certified mailings and fight postings.
[1:31:25] The item was continued from the May 19,
[1:31:28] 2026 BCC meeting to the June 16, 2026
[1:31:32] BCC meeting where it was continued to
[1:31:34] today.
[1:31:42] >> Good afternoon, Commissioners. William
[1:31:44] Vermilion, Planning Development and
[1:31:45] Economic Growth.
[1:31:47] This is item PDE 267596.
[1:31:50] This is a zoning amendment in Avenue in
[1:31:52] PUD.
[1:31:55] This is a rezoning request from AC
[1:31:58] Agricultural District to an MPUD Master
[1:32:00] Planned Unit Development District
[1:32:02] to allow for the maximum development of
[1:32:04] 832 single-family detached homes,
[1:32:07] 75,000 square feet of support
[1:32:09] commercial,
[1:32:10] and 440,000 square feet of light
[1:32:12] industrial and associated infrastructure
[1:32:15] on approximately 331.6
[1:32:18] acres.
[1:32:19] This is in northeast Pasco County, about
[1:32:21] 1.5 miles uh to the east of the
[1:32:24] intersection of Denton Avenue and Little
[1:32:26] Road.
[1:32:29] Here's the location map of the subject
[1:32:31] site.
[1:32:34] >> You said northeast or northwest?
[1:32:36] >> Northwest.
[1:32:37] >> Okay.
[1:32:40] >> Here's the the subject site's aerial.
[1:32:42] It's uh it's currently vacant with the a
[1:32:45] tree line to the north and to the south.
[1:32:48] The current zoning request AC.
[1:32:55] The future land use.
[1:32:57] And here is the contextual map of the
[1:33:00] subject site outlined in red.
[1:33:03] You can see here which bifurcates the
[1:33:04] property is the Bolton Avenue extension,
[1:33:07] which a little bit further along in the
[1:33:08] presentation we'll speak about. Uh to
[1:33:11] the north side, of course, Denton
[1:33:12] Avenue,
[1:33:13] uh where you can find the Denton Place
[1:33:15] MPUD, which was approved uh around 2023.
[1:33:20] Also to the north is the Arthur Engle
[1:33:22] Park, an existing R4 uh development of
[1:33:26] some smaller clustered homes.
[1:33:28] And of course, um the intersection of
[1:33:30] Hicks Road and the Bolton Avenue
[1:33:32] extension.
[1:33:33] And to the south, the property is
[1:33:34] bordered by Kitten Trail.
[1:33:39] This is the
[1:33:41] MPUD master plan.
[1:33:43] Um the master plan has been updated um
[1:33:46] since it went to the planning
[1:33:47] commission. Um when when the project
[1:33:49] went to the planning commission, they
[1:33:50] first asked um
[1:33:53] staff and the applicant as a part of
[1:33:54] their motion to do a couple different
[1:33:56] things, um one of which was to reach
[1:33:58] back out to our fire rescue department
[1:34:01] um about the amount of accesses um
[1:34:04] to Ditten Avenue for the project to
[1:34:06] ensure that fire rescue didn't have any
[1:34:08] additional comments since the project
[1:34:09] had been in review
[1:34:11] for roughly 4 5 years. This project has
[1:34:15] been in since uh 2021.
[1:34:18] And uh fire confirmed um to PDE that
[1:34:21] they didn't have any more additional
[1:34:22] comments about the two accesses on
[1:34:24] Ditten Road.
[1:34:26] But what you'll see here on this master
[1:34:27] plan is that PDE worked with the
[1:34:29] applicant um
[1:34:32] to get the construction of Bolton Avenue
[1:34:34] from its uh from the subject site all
[1:34:36] the way out to Hicks Road as a 60-ft
[1:34:38] cross section with two 10-ft multi-use
[1:34:40] paths on either side. And I can add a
[1:34:42] little bit more detail to that. Um you
[1:34:44] can see the typical sections here which
[1:34:46] show the the multi-use paths as well as
[1:34:48] the uh the linear lineage um of the
[1:34:50] 60-ft cross section.
[1:34:53] But as we move into the binding concept
[1:34:54] plan here,
[1:34:57] what what the applicant worked with PDE
[1:34:59] on and
[1:35:01] specifically
[1:35:02] was the orange area to the south. Those
[1:35:05] are 70-ft lots particularly around the
[1:35:08] existing neighbors of the the larger
[1:35:10] lots that get their access from Kitten
[1:35:12] Trail.
[1:35:13] And then also make doing the 60-ft lots
[1:35:16] in yellow along the other boundaries of
[1:35:19] the property um
[1:35:21] to help with the uh the blending of
[1:35:23] densities for the area and the overall
[1:35:25] size and lot configuration.
[1:35:28] You can see that uh I've zoomed in on
[1:35:29] the southern portion of the plan here um
[1:35:32] with one of the features which is the
[1:35:33] park space that's down there in that uh
[1:35:37] tooth section as I call it of the
[1:35:38] property that comes down to Kitten Trail
[1:35:41] which will remain a park
[1:35:43] uh as well as have that red trail access
[1:35:45] down to Kitten Trail in which the
[1:35:47] applicant will
[1:35:49] install some uh safe light flashers for
[1:35:51] pedestrians to be able to get to the CIP
[1:35:54] project that put in the pedestrian
[1:35:55] facilities on the southern side of
[1:35:56] Kitten Trail.
[1:35:58] Additionally, you can see here in the
[1:35:59] dark green along the southern boundary
[1:36:02] that is a 40-ft wide buffer. Originally,
[1:36:05] it was a 20-ft wide buffer.
[1:36:08] The applicant increased that to 40 ft
[1:36:10] after hearing from the residents at both
[1:36:12] the planning commission and the numerous
[1:36:13] neighborhood meetings.
[1:36:20] As we As we move to the north, um what's
[1:36:23] required by the code in section 9017
[1:36:26] is for the applicant to construct any
[1:36:28] pedestrian facilities within a within a
[1:36:30] right-of-way along the project's linear
[1:36:32] frontage. And in this case, that would
[1:36:34] have been the 10-ft multi-use path
[1:36:36] on the southern side of Denton Avenue.
[1:36:39] The applicant worked with staff in this
[1:36:40] case
[1:36:42] to
[1:36:43] build
[1:36:44] the multi-use path on the southern side
[1:36:46] of the project until you get to the
[1:36:48] north-south spine road, at which time
[1:36:50] they transition to the north side of the
[1:36:52] road, uh of course with uh safe
[1:36:54] pedestrian crossing infrastructure
[1:36:56] there,
[1:36:57] um which is that blue area,
[1:36:59] and then continue building the multi-use
[1:37:01] path offsite, um approximately 1,300
[1:37:04] linear feet to the entrance of the park,
[1:37:08] which helps complete the pedestrian
[1:37:10] network out here in the area. Um
[1:37:13] When the applicant comes up and speaks
[1:37:14] and talks about um some of the
[1:37:15] behavioral patterns that happen out
[1:37:17] there, people are having to walk in the
[1:37:18] grass currently to get in that park
[1:37:20] because there's no pedestrian
[1:37:21] infrastructure, so
[1:37:23] the applicant worked with PDE um
[1:37:25] to have them build offsite pedestrian
[1:37:27] improvements, which are mobility fee
[1:37:29] creditable against the bike ped portion
[1:37:30] of the mobility fee,
[1:37:32] which is highlighted there in red.
[1:37:33] That's the only creditable section.
[1:37:37] There is also a binding landscaping and
[1:37:40] buffering plan here. This shows what
[1:37:42] happens within the 40-ft buffer to the
[1:37:46] south as well as the uh the buffers that
[1:37:48] are going to happen along Denton Avenue
[1:37:50] and on the eastern and western
[1:37:51] boundaries, the largest of which of
[1:37:53] course is that 40-ft buffer to the
[1:37:55] south, which is denoted denoted here on
[1:37:58] the binding exterior landscape and
[1:37:59] buffering plan.
[1:38:03] These are renderings of what that 40-ft
[1:38:06] buffer would look like both at time of
[1:38:08] planting.
[1:38:10] You can see at time of planting um at
[1:38:12] installation there in the top left-hand
[1:38:15] corner of this. This is the what the
[1:38:16] plantings would look like at
[1:38:17] installation um in accordance with what
[1:38:20] the code requires for for trees to be at
[1:38:23] time of installation and then also at
[1:38:26] maturity, what that buffer would look
[1:38:28] like in terms of tree canopy.
[1:38:32] There's also
[1:38:33] um the Florida native palette, which is
[1:38:35] binding as a part of this project, which
[1:38:36] limits the applicant specifically to
[1:38:39] Florida
[1:38:40] native plant palette that they use here
[1:38:43] um
[1:38:45] which is indicated here.
[1:38:47] There's two variations from the code and
[1:38:49] I think uh I'd like to go back
[1:38:52] one step here. Um
[1:38:54] in some of the commissioner meetings um
[1:38:57] there was concerns about the
[1:38:58] intersection as it was with East Road
[1:39:02] and Denton Avenue with that unsafe turn
[1:39:03] that's happening there and I just wanted
[1:39:05] to have it on the record that the county
[1:39:07] did have a a project out there that is
[1:39:09] currently underway
[1:39:10] that's supposed to be done by the end of
[1:39:12] '26 or early '27
[1:39:14] to add eastbound and westbound left turn
[1:39:17] lanes to help with that dangerous curve
[1:39:18] intersection um for East Road and Denton
[1:39:21] Avenue. There's two variation requests
[1:39:23] here. Uh the first being from
[1:39:25] 905.2D5
[1:39:28] Street Design Dedication Requirements.
[1:39:31] This is uh for the applicant not to
[1:39:33] provide a southern vehicular connection
[1:39:35] as I went back to the binding plan.
[1:39:37] Um several residents here
[1:39:40] in the audience and at the neighborhood
[1:39:41] meetings
[1:39:42] um were concerned with traffic on Kitten
[1:39:44] Trail. So, what the applicant did was
[1:39:46] provide a pedestrian connection to
[1:39:47] Kitten Trail to our CIP project here at
[1:39:50] the county where we built the pedestrian
[1:39:51] facilities in lieu of a vehicular
[1:39:53] connection then providing the connection
[1:39:56] uh two to the north and then building
[1:39:58] Bolton Avenue as you move out to Hicks
[1:40:00] Road.
[1:40:03] And the final variation from 805.2,
[1:40:06] restrictions on post-development
[1:40:07] wetlands and upland buffers
[1:40:09] this is the uh the traditional uh
[1:40:12] creation of a CDD HOA. This is
[1:40:14] particularly for the industrial and
[1:40:18] commercial areas to not have to
[1:40:19] establish a CDD or HOA to maintain the
[1:40:23] common areas if they're maintained by uh
[1:40:25] one single entity.
[1:40:29] Staff is amenable to both of these
[1:40:30] requests. As I just mentioned here um
[1:40:34] because of the the passive park, the CIP
[1:40:36] project, and the pedestrian connection
[1:40:38] as well as meeting the intent and code
[1:40:39] for the maintenance of open space within
[1:40:41] commercial and industrial land.
[1:40:44] This comes to you with a recommendation
[1:40:46] of approval from both the planning and
[1:40:47] development economic growth department
[1:40:49] and to the planning commission. I'm
[1:40:51] available for any questions.
[1:40:53] >> All right. Got a few questions for you.
[1:40:56] Before you go, is there any Do you have
[1:40:57] some ex parte
[1:40:59] >> I have that note here and I failed to
[1:41:01] read it.
[1:41:03] Ex parte communications and letter of
[1:41:04] opposition were sent to the clerk's
[1:41:06] office this morning as I received them.
[1:41:08] >> All right. Just in case you might not
[1:41:10] have I've met with the applicant.
[1:41:12] I've also met with residents, so.
[1:41:15] All right. So, let's go to
[1:41:17] the
[1:41:19] site plan.
[1:41:23] Okay. So, what you've got, and if you're
[1:41:25] over 600 units in a development, you
[1:41:28] have to have two exit and entrance
[1:41:29] roads, correct?
[1:41:30] >> Yes, sir.
[1:41:31] >> Okay. So, I want everyone to take a
[1:41:32] close look at this. Now, Kitten Trail
[1:41:36] if you've been there in the morning when
[1:41:38] school's dropped off, it's a mess both
[1:41:40] ways coming in, coming out. And Hudson
[1:41:43] Avenue that serves the same complex is
[1:41:45] the same way. It's very, very crowded.
[1:41:48] So,
[1:41:49] for you to take, and we have that big
[1:41:51] other developments coming down the
[1:41:52] street to the left of the screen here.
[1:41:56] You've got one entrance main spine
[1:41:57] coming in, and all that traffic's got to
[1:41:59] go up to Dent NAF to get out. Whether
[1:42:01] they're going to right or left, they're
[1:42:02] all coming there.
[1:42:04] Then they've got to go to compete with
[1:42:05] the other developments down the street
[1:42:07] to get to the south because right now
[1:42:09] you'd have to go to Little Road to get
[1:42:11] down to the school.
[1:42:12] Then they got to swing into New York
[1:42:13] Avenue to come in, and then hit Hicks
[1:42:16] Road, another two-lane road which
[1:42:17] doesn't have an improved intersection
[1:42:19] whatsoever.
[1:42:20] Any traffic coming from
[1:42:22] Hicks Road down below,
[1:42:24] it's it's just it's going to be super
[1:42:25] crowded.
[1:42:26] You had an opportunity, and we've had
[1:42:28] these discussions. So, I'm very
[1:42:29] disappointed to see what you've come up
[1:42:31] with the just your
[1:42:32] no the spine coming out there right to
[1:42:34] the center of the screen.
[1:42:36] And if you look
[1:42:38] to where this 10-acre commercial parcel
[1:42:40] is in the purple,
[1:42:42] look at where the second exit is.
[1:42:45] It's all the way to the left.
[1:42:47] And it looks like it's just two lanes
[1:42:48] coming in and out, and the second
[1:42:50] entrance for the 600 units is supposed
[1:42:51] to be that road.
[1:42:53] This defies any logical setup why this
[1:42:57] code was ever set up to be this way.
[1:42:59] We would never set it or design it this
[1:43:01] way.
[1:43:02] Now, I work with staff, and I'm very
[1:43:04] disappointed to see them coming back
[1:43:05] with a recommendation approval when it
[1:43:07] doesn't deal with it. When just to the
[1:43:09] south where you see the dark maroon line
[1:43:11] in the center of the site plan, that's
[1:43:13] Bolton Avenue.
[1:43:15] Bolton Avenue, if they took it,
[1:43:17] they could connect it, and they would
[1:43:19] hit to where Hicks Road would be, which
[1:43:21] would be a north-south road going in. It
[1:43:23] would connect further to Little Road and
[1:43:25] US 19 thereby dispersing the traffic
[1:43:28] with a better chance around the whole
[1:43:30] area.
[1:43:31] But now, you're driving it where it's
[1:43:33] all going to come down from Little Road.
[1:43:36] They don't go through 19 on there, and
[1:43:37] then it's all going to be jammed in
[1:43:38] there, and I've got no improvements
[1:43:40] whatsoever.
[1:43:41] >> Oh, per- perhaps I I wasn't clear. Uh a
[1:43:44] part of this this Denton Avenue that's
[1:43:46] coming before you that wasn't um before
[1:43:48] planning commission is the construction
[1:43:49] of Bolton Avenue as a responsibility of
[1:43:52] this project out to Hicks Road. So, not
[1:43:54] only do you have two connections to
[1:43:55] Denton Avenue um per the land
[1:43:57] development code, you also have a a
[1:43:59] third connection out to the construction
[1:44:01] of Bolton Road all the way to Hicks.
[1:44:04] >> Why isn't this in the plan?
[1:44:06] >> Oh, so since it's since it's an off-
[1:44:07] since it's an off-site improvement, we
[1:44:09] didn't show it on the plan. We showed it
[1:44:10] on the cross-section and in the
[1:44:11] conditions because of the applicant has
[1:44:13] to submit a subsequent development
[1:44:15] agreement, which would come back before
[1:44:16] the commissioners.
[1:44:18] >> [clears throat]
[1:44:18] >> This is absurd. Absolutely absurd.
[1:44:22] I've talked about this thing all the
[1:44:23] time.
[1:44:24] You set the line right up there. You
[1:44:26] don't go go through your comments, but
[1:44:27] you tell me it's coming.
[1:44:29] This is This is
[1:44:31] absurd.
[1:44:33] Um
[1:44:35] All right.
[1:44:37] I I don't want to approve it till this
[1:44:38] thing's done, and this thing doesn't get
[1:44:40] built until that road's done. Period,
[1:44:42] the end. But, let's go go further.
[1:44:45] I also talked with you about Bohannon
[1:44:47] Road.
[1:44:48] Those of you don't know, it's up in
[1:44:49] Zephyrhills.
[1:44:51] You had a trailer park going along the
[1:44:52] side,
[1:44:53] all asphalted
[1:44:55] in [clears throat] their development.
[1:44:56] Beside them was a dirt road, which they
[1:44:57] didn't control.
[1:44:59] That dirt road gets used, and the dust
[1:45:02] goes up and over, and just buries those
[1:45:04] people along that way.
[1:45:07] And you know if you've heard of Wanda
[1:45:08] Stevens, you probably met her a few
[1:45:09] times. Cuz that road needs to be paved
[1:45:11] alongside that. It's hard enough in a
[1:45:14] rural area with big lots right beside it
[1:45:17] to have a dirt road when you got homes
[1:45:19] coming beside it. Because the people
[1:45:21] that are going to be the worst affected
[1:45:22] are the new people that are going to be
[1:45:23] coming in alongside here.
[1:45:25] And that's not addressed either.
[1:45:30] Sure,
[1:45:31] right now there's no connection to
[1:45:33] Mattis Road until it's improved. Of
[1:45:34] course, Bolton Road's going to extend
[1:45:36] out to Coyote, so there shouldn't be any
[1:45:37] dust concerns cuz there'll be no
[1:45:39] additional traffic on Mattis.
[1:45:41] >> The Mattis Road people that live there
[1:45:43] now are still going to continue the road
[1:45:45] and cause the dust to fly. The dust is
[1:45:46] going to fly off the side. I've got
[1:45:48] comments to talk to Branford and his
[1:45:50] com- and his team. They get They're even
[1:45:51] complaining about the dirt roads out
[1:45:53] there as well.
[1:45:54] So, there's no
[1:45:55] name No time for There's no improvement
[1:45:57] being made and those people living on
[1:45:58] that way are going to get affected by
[1:46:00] this development coming in.
[1:46:02] Uh the people that are in the
[1:46:04] development going to affect by people on
[1:46:05] the dirt road. It's an incompatible use
[1:46:07] for that reason.
[1:46:08] And it hasn't been addressed.
[1:46:11] >> Sure.
[1:46:13] >> I I've a question. So, one of my
[1:46:16] I more than one of my constituents had a
[1:46:18] had a
[1:46:19] question.
[1:46:21] Can you keep Kitten Trail closed because
[1:46:24] the fire department said they did not
[1:46:26] need the access
[1:46:27] to Kitten Trail. They would like it
[1:46:29] closed. They don't want a future
[1:46:31] connection there.
[1:46:32] >> Absolutely. Um so, down there in that
[1:46:34] that green area in the passive park,
[1:46:36] that's where it's only going to be a
[1:46:37] pedestrian connection to Kitten Trail,
[1:46:39] no no additional vehicles onto Kitten
[1:46:41] Trail. And the fire department is okay
[1:46:43] with that.
[1:46:44] >> I'm saying though if it was if it was a
[1:46:45] passive park, do we need a connection
[1:46:48] for fire safety?
[1:46:50] >> No, ma'am. The the fire department was
[1:46:51] all right with the two connections on
[1:46:53] Denton and was even more thrilled to
[1:46:55] have the third connection via Bolton
[1:46:56] Avenue.
[1:46:57] >> Okay. So, Kitten Trail will be closed to
[1:46:59] all vehicles.
[1:47:01] >> Yes, ma'am. Just just the pedestrian
[1:47:02] connection.
[1:47:03] >> Okay.
[1:47:05] And then
[1:47:07] another question was I guess this would
[1:47:09] be for
[1:47:11] the applicant. Would they be willing to
[1:47:13] do a 40-ft buffer all around
[1:47:17] instead of 20 ft?
[1:47:20] Cuz we have 40 ft and then 20 ft.
[1:47:25] >> I can certainly let the applicant speak
[1:47:26] to that.
[1:47:33] >> I mean the question to staff. Sure.
[1:47:35] >> Mr. Whitman.
[1:47:37] >> That way you don't limp away too hard
[1:47:40] from from this additional
[1:47:42] item.
[1:47:43] >> Just a public servant.
[1:47:46] >> A humble public a tough public servant.
[1:47:49] So, um
[1:47:51] you know, this the evolution of this
[1:47:53] this project uh from where we saw this
[1:47:56] thing when I first came on the board
[1:47:58] almost 4 years ago to today I will
[1:48:01] compliment the the the the staff's work
[1:48:03] on this uh as it's of its evolution to
[1:48:06] get to this point from where it started
[1:48:08] to where it is. It has come a long way.
[1:48:09] There's still clearly some uh level of
[1:48:13] uh discomfort with it, but uh the plan
[1:48:16] is seemingly improving, so um I just
[1:48:19] wanted to note that um before we move
[1:48:22] forward with
[1:48:24] the next phase of this conversation.
[1:48:26] >> Much appreciated.
[1:48:29] >> I one more question. So, the Bolton
[1:48:31] Avenue
[1:48:32] connection is now done
[1:48:34] just in through
[1:48:35] to Hicks Road.
[1:48:36] >> Yes, sir.
[1:48:37] >> The other problem still Hicks Road
[1:48:38] south.
[1:48:40] It is not connected from there.
[1:48:44] >> Maybe I need an arrow.
[1:48:45] >> can get to you can make the connection
[1:48:47] to Hicks Road, but it doesn't go to the
[1:48:48] south. You still got an issue.
[1:48:50] Cuz they still got to go to the road.
[1:48:53] >> Absolutely noted.
[1:48:56] >> [laughter]
[1:48:56] >> So, I we we were able we were able to
[1:48:58] obligate we were able to obligate the
[1:49:00] construction out to Hicks Road um
[1:49:04] which I think is proportional to the to
[1:49:06] the developments impacts to the infra to
[1:49:07] the infrastructure as well as the signal
[1:49:10] signalization of Denton Avenue. Um
[1:49:13] but that that is as far as as staff was
[1:49:15] able to to go as far as offsite
[1:49:18] improvements whenever you also throw in
[1:49:20] the offsite pedestrian improvements to
[1:49:21] the north.
[1:49:22] >> All right. So,
[1:49:24] I want the board to know we actually
[1:49:25] tried to work with this the property
[1:49:26] right beside which one of the Hudson
[1:49:28] that's an industrial park.
[1:49:30] And in the Hudson Industrial Park where
[1:49:31] it ends is right at that point where
[1:49:34] they could we could have worked with
[1:49:35] them to go forward.
[1:49:36] So, had we worked together, we could
[1:49:38] have used some other applications maybe
[1:49:40] through federal government even to get
[1:49:41] some funding for this road or the state
[1:49:44] to make this connection down through.
[1:49:46] But since they've separated out the
[1:49:49] option goes away.
[1:49:49] >> to the east of this of the purple
[1:49:51] >> Yeah, can we get a big map from map
[1:49:53] pages?
[1:49:53] >> Yeah, let's zoom out.
[1:49:55] >> This is crazy.
[1:50:10] >> [clears throat]
[1:50:31] [snorts]
[1:50:37] >> So, the Hicks Road project has been a
[1:50:39] vision road for probably 15 years now.
[1:50:41] Uh it's on the map. We actually had the
[1:50:42] development committee not development I
[1:50:44] paid the association done from Bolton
[1:50:46] Avenue going to the north of Denton.
[1:50:48] That southern connection was already a
[1:50:49] key piece. These guys abutted it.
[1:50:51] They've got industrial lands right
[1:50:52] beside it. Would have worked real good
[1:50:54] with the industrial park. And again,
[1:50:55] provided that opportunity to go get that
[1:50:57] road funded. But they walked away from
[1:50:59] it. They want to go separate. They
[1:51:00] thought they were better off going
[1:51:01] separate. And we fought for the longest
[1:51:03] time about the Bolton Avenue end.
[1:51:05] Um
[1:51:07] Hick
[1:51:08] Bolton Avenue and the Kooken Trail
[1:51:09] connection to work.
[1:51:11] Had they worked with us, we could have
[1:51:12] possibly had this done by now.
[1:51:15] But now literally
[1:51:17] it's great to get this improvement, but
[1:51:18] it's still
[1:51:19] to a spot that doesn't go anywhere.
[1:51:21] If it
[1:51:22] connected south, we'd have something
[1:51:24] really good to work with.
[1:51:35] So, if you can see the bigger the yellow
[1:51:36] dot that's in the side, that's the
[1:51:37] project we're looking at.
[1:51:39] >> [laughter]
[1:51:40] >> This is the county's spray fields to the
[1:51:42] side.
[1:51:43] Then down to the south.
[1:51:45] Let me put the
[1:51:47] marker on that.
[1:51:52] So, if you go out if you would go up to
[1:51:53] the top of Bolton Avenue.
[1:51:56] Okay, so with that that is there that's
[1:51:57] one of the parcels. The parcel then
[1:51:58] right to the side of it to the west.
[1:52:00] Those two parcels together is this
[1:52:02] industrial parcel going to be. Hicks
[1:52:03] Road is right beside it in the way the
[1:52:05] pink is.
[1:52:13] All right.
[1:52:15] >> William, was the
[1:52:17] was the factor
[1:52:19] was the limiting factor in the
[1:52:21] amount of mobility fees the project was
[1:52:23] generating?
[1:52:24] >> Sure, that that's a portion of it too
[1:52:26] whenever you talked about the cost of
[1:52:28] cost of signalization, um the ultimate
[1:52:31] construction of
[1:52:33] >> Well, I'm asking because they're you're
[1:52:34] they're getting credits for the cost.
[1:52:36] >> Correct.
[1:52:36] >> So, so was the limiting factor
[1:52:40] the amount of mobility fees being
[1:52:42] generated by this project they wouldn't
[1:52:43] be able to absorb
[1:52:45] the entire cost of going south as well?
[1:52:47] >> I believe that that was the the the
[1:52:49] applicant's um position. Of course, I
[1:52:52] don't have an engineered cost estimate,
[1:52:54] but of course that's a part of the
[1:52:55] development agreement, but I would
[1:52:57] assume that that was the case. I'm more
[1:52:59] than happy to let the applicant speak to
[1:53:02] to their projected cost as well as their
[1:53:04] their mobility impacts in relation to
[1:53:05] that.
[1:53:08] >> Okay.
[1:53:09] >> But so
[1:53:11] taking it from the yellow dot going
[1:53:12] across
[1:53:14] um
[1:53:15] from our end of the property goes out to
[1:53:19] Bolton. Right to the way Hicks Road is,
[1:53:22] but then that Hicks Road connection, if
[1:53:24] they go down there, they go down to
[1:53:25] Hicks Road down to Kitten Trail, which
[1:53:26] is a little bit south of where that is.
[1:53:29] Let me kind of lift that up a little
[1:53:30] bit. There you go.
[1:53:31] If you take it down to Hicks Road, then
[1:53:33] you'd come down across to get you to the
[1:53:35] top part.
[1:53:37] Well, let's see the the school complex
[1:53:39] at the top of the race
[1:53:41] track and field places there. Yeah, just
[1:53:42] a little bit for the next next road
[1:53:43] down. Next one down.
[1:53:46] No, go go to take
[1:53:49] It's to the south. So.
[1:53:53] All right, but they're not going to go
[1:53:54] that way. They're going to go down.
[1:53:57] Yeah, bring the orange one down there.
[1:54:01] All right.
[1:54:02] So, the line you got going across that
[1:54:04] little line there, that'd be one one
[1:54:05] street lower.
[1:54:13] If you If you want, go and pull that one
[1:54:14] down.
[1:54:16] The No, no, so go and pass that one
[1:54:17] there.
[1:54:19] And no no no no no, just
[1:54:21] just one one more block.
[1:54:23] One more.
[1:54:24] Right there.
[1:54:25] That's where they're going to get to.
[1:54:27] So, that connection right there
[1:54:29] will then let people go across over
[1:54:31] that. So, we're just putting putting the
[1:54:32] sidewalk in right now to make it make it
[1:54:34] safer for everybody. But then if the
[1:54:35] section is
[1:54:37] very weak, there's dirt all around it
[1:54:38] just with the two lanes not a a
[1:54:40] breakdown on it, but that's where the
[1:54:42] connection's got to go. If they don't do
[1:54:44] that, they're still going down over a
[1:54:45] little road back and over and then
[1:54:47] coming in that way.
[1:54:48] So, the Hicks Road is still a a key
[1:54:49] piece. Great we get progress with
[1:54:51] Bolton, but you still need Hicks Road.
[1:54:55] And like I said, had had they joined
[1:54:57] with us and stayed with us, we could
[1:54:59] have been working on both of them
[1:55:00] together.
[1:55:07] I think
[1:55:08] to
[1:55:09] to Mr. Goldstein's point, another
[1:55:11] limiting factor in terms of the
[1:55:12] obligation of
[1:55:13] Hicks Road South was the the lack of
[1:55:16] right-of-way that exists there
[1:55:17] currently.
[1:55:18] >> And again, the people that own the
[1:55:19] property would have given all the
[1:55:21] right-of-way we needed. We could
[1:55:22] actually could do a land swap with them
[1:55:23] anyway. They were fully operational to
[1:55:25] give us whatever right-of-way we needed.
[1:55:27] >> Sure. Please
[1:55:28] >> Do not bring that argument up.
[1:55:29] >> That I mean, that project
[1:55:31] >> argument up. It's
[1:55:32] >> You can can consider it tabled.
[1:55:35] That project is in review as well. Um
[1:55:37] the Hudson Industrial just came back in.
[1:55:40] Any kind of obligations that we can
[1:55:41] assign to that developer for building
[1:55:43] this roadway, of course, um PD will do
[1:55:46] so.
[1:55:46] >> No.
[1:55:47] I think it's a good good time to bring
[1:55:48] them back together, but
[1:55:50] that's all the questions I got.
[1:55:51] Anyone else?
[1:55:54] Yeah.
[1:55:55] Thank you.
[1:55:55] >> Thank you.
[1:55:56] >> And the applicant?
[1:56:03] >> If I may just do a little housekeeping,
[1:56:04] hand a few things to the clerk.
[1:56:06] >> Move to receive in file.
[1:56:10] I'll second.
[1:56:10] >> Second.
[1:56:11] >> Yeah, you can do that.
[1:56:12] >> do that, yeah.
[1:56:13] >> All right. Broke the ice for you.
[1:56:15] >> [laughter]
[1:56:15] >> District 1, Commissioner Oakley?
[1:56:19] District 2, Commissioner Weightman?
[1:56:21] >> I'm here.
[1:56:22] >> District 3, Commissioner Starkey?
[1:56:26] >> I.
[1:56:27] >> District 4, Commissioner Yager?
[1:56:29] >> I.
[1:56:30] >> District 5, Chairman Marianao?
[1:56:31] >> I.
[1:56:45] >> Barbara Wilhite, 6327 Grand Boulevard,
[1:56:48] um New Port Richey for the applicant.
[1:56:53] Want to run through um
[1:56:55] presentation that I made for you all.
[1:56:56] >> Before we start,
[1:56:57] you requested additional time. Was that
[1:56:59] granted?
[1:57:00] >> 10 minutes is fine.
[1:57:00] >> Okay.
[1:57:04] >> So, that was in 2021.
[1:57:06] Our project was very different in 2021
[1:57:09] and 2022.
[1:57:11] Um we're requesting a comprehensive plan
[1:57:13] amendment from the RES 6, RES 3, and IL,
[1:57:16] which are your land use categories on
[1:57:18] this property. Again, the county's land
[1:57:19] use categories on this property, not
[1:57:21] mine. Nothing I requested, nothing the
[1:57:23] property requested. Your land uses on
[1:57:25] this property are RES 6, RES 3, and IL.
[1:57:28] We had requested that to go to plan
[1:57:29] development. There was a slide in Mr.
[1:57:32] Vermillion's slide deck that showed the
[1:57:34] land use as planned development. I think
[1:57:36] that's an error um because the the land
[1:57:39] uses are RES 6, RES 3, and IL.
[1:57:42] We had an application for 1,614
[1:57:43] residential units.
[1:57:46] Single-family detached villas,
[1:57:47] townhomes, apartments. We had light
[1:57:49] industrial, daycare, and our vehicular
[1:57:52] access to and from Kitten. So, when you
[1:57:55] when you stand here and and ask other
[1:57:57] applicants to cut their density in half,
[1:58:00] we did it.
[1:58:01] We're asking 832 [clears throat] units
[1:58:03] today. So, when you see the all the
[1:58:05] emails in your record from 2022, we read
[1:58:08] every one of those.
[1:58:11] And we came back with a new project is
[1:58:13] what you have today.
[1:58:15] We're following your land uses on the
[1:58:16] property to a T, RES 6, RES 3, and IL.
[1:58:19] Our RES 6 density
[1:58:21] is we don't blend any density. In the
[1:58:24] RES 3 portions, we stay under three
[1:58:25] units per acre. In the RES 6 portions,
[1:58:27] we're at 3.01.
[1:58:31] So, again, you didn't have to ask us to
[1:58:33] do it, we did it.
[1:58:35] The we the land use allows 1,462 homes,
[1:58:40] the land your land use on this property.
[1:58:43] We're requesting 832. We have not
[1:58:45] blended density that your code allows.
[1:58:48] We have single-family 800
[1:58:50] 800 single 32 single-family homes with
[1:58:52] 60 and 70 ft lots around the perimeter.
[1:58:55] There's no 40s, no apartments, no towns.
[1:58:58] Denton Place has 40s, apartments, and
[1:59:00] towns. All the things that you have
[1:59:03] approved for a project just north of
[1:59:04] here in a residential land use.
[1:59:07] This project did not request is not
[1:59:09] requesting.
[1:59:11] We had four voluntary neighborhood
[1:59:12] meetings.
[1:59:14] Three of them were in a in sequential
[1:59:18] and then we stopped between 8 6 and 12 2
[1:59:21] because we actually did things that the
[1:59:24] neighbors asked us about. They asked us
[1:59:27] about drainage. We stopped and did a
[1:59:30] master grading plan.
[1:59:32] The property owner hired WRA which
[1:59:35] nobody does at rezoning to actually do
[1:59:37] the master grading. So, if any questions
[1:59:38] regarding flooding came up, they could
[1:59:40] answer them and they answered them
[1:59:42] during those meetings.
[1:59:44] We came back on 12 12.
[1:59:46] Our engineer presented the results of
[1:59:48] his actual grading drainage plan that he
[1:59:50] did for this property during rezoning.
[1:59:53] Another thing that we did was the detail
[1:59:55] that you see on that binding landscape
[1:59:56] plan that staff went over. That was done
[1:59:58] between the third and the fourth final
[2:00:02] neighborhood meeting. The neighbor said,
[2:00:05] "We want to see different type of
[2:00:06] vegetation. We want to see not what your
[2:00:09] cookie cutter complete code requires in
[2:00:12] suburban county.
[2:00:14] Um let's see something different, native
[2:00:16] palette. A lot of attention to detail
[2:00:18] was done on that landscape plan between
[2:00:20] the third and fourth meetings."
[2:00:23] And we presented that binding landscape
[2:00:25] plan.
[2:00:27] We not only did at the neighborhood
[2:00:29] meeting agree to single story along the
[2:00:31] perimeter, single story houses. A lot of
[2:00:33] my clients been asked to do that. They
[2:00:35] usually say, "We you know, don't want to
[2:00:37] single family to single family." But,
[2:00:38] they did did agree to that.
[2:00:41] Then the neighbors next to the the
[2:00:43] parcel that we own that the client owns
[2:00:45] to Kitten Road said, "Could you please
[2:00:47] make that a passive park.
[2:00:49] Please don't Please make it stay
[2:00:50] natural.
[2:00:51] Please make sure it doesn't have any
[2:00:52] active recreation. So, we did all those
[2:00:54] things. We made all those changes. Made
[2:00:57] all those commitments. Documented all
[2:00:58] those commitments.
[2:01:00] The neighbors requested no vehicular
[2:01:01] access to um Kitten Trail, including no
[2:01:04] emergency access. We made We made that
[2:01:06] change and asked for that variation at
[2:01:08] the neighbors' request.
[2:01:09] We put the the 70-ft lots along the
[2:01:11] Kitten Trail adjacencies um as a result
[2:01:14] in between between those neighborhood
[2:01:15] meetings and again in a single story.
[2:01:17] So, those were the things we did in
[2:01:18] between our third and fourth
[2:01:20] neighborhood meeting.
[2:01:24] Again, this is the detail. Passive park.
[2:01:26] All the bit existing vegetation stays.
[2:01:28] We put the 10-ft trail, meander it
[2:01:30] through there.
[2:01:32] Our binding landscape plan.
[2:01:35] Lots of detail on here.
[2:01:37] What's What's interesting if you look at
[2:01:39] this chart,
[2:01:41] and let me open to my page so I can
[2:01:42] actually see it,
[2:01:45] is the care that went into
[2:01:48] what we did for a a a landscape buffer.
[2:01:51] So, what's required is 10 ft.
[2:01:54] That's what your code requires
[2:01:56] um in between these types of lots, the
[2:01:58] adjacencies.
[2:02:00] We're doing 20 ft and then 40 ft down to
[2:02:02] Kitten Trail.
[2:02:04] No fence is required in you by your
[2:02:05] code. We're doing a 6-ft opaque opaque
[2:02:07] fence. Your canopy trees are one per 60.
[2:02:10] We're doubling that, one per 30. Your
[2:02:12] code doesn't care about ornamental, we
[2:02:13] do. We put ornamental trees in. Your
[2:02:15] code doesn't ask for palms, we do. We
[2:02:17] put palms in.
[2:02:19] Your code asks for a single row shrubs,
[2:02:20] we care, we doubled it.
[2:02:22] Our mature height shrub height is 6 ft,
[2:02:25] your code only requires three.
[2:02:27] Code doesn't require any accent shrubs,
[2:02:29] we do. We put 15 per canopy tree.
[2:02:32] A lot of care went into that buffer
[2:02:35] plan.
[2:02:36] And the pallet that was picked out for
[2:02:38] that um that I know that you have seen
[2:02:40] before.
[2:02:43] >> Can I Barbara, can I ask you a quick
[2:02:44] question? On trees, are you putting in a
[2:02:48] um
[2:02:49] a tree by the front of the house to
[2:02:51] shade the for the sidewalks?
[2:02:53] >> I will grab the conditions and make sure
[2:02:54] I answer that question after public
[2:02:56] comment. I'll make sure I check it so I
[2:02:57] can answer your question, but I will
[2:02:58] check. I think the answer's yes, but let
[2:03:00] me make sure [clears throat] I look at
[2:03:01] the conditions.
[2:03:02] Um
[2:03:07] After neighborhood meeting, we worked
[2:03:08] with staff on a binding concept plan. We
[2:03:10] increased the buffer on Kintyre lots to
[2:03:12] 40 ft. We did a prohibition on data
[2:03:15] centers even before you all started
[2:03:16] talking about it.
[2:03:17] Um so, forever
[2:03:19] not just a moratorium, it's forever. No
[2:03:21] no data centers within our industrial um
[2:03:24] land use.
[2:03:26] A lot of work on the community
[2:03:27] connectivity. We did the enhanced bike
[2:03:29] crossing across Denton. And actually, I
[2:03:32] had a slide on this, so I'm going to
[2:03:34] defer that to go through this in more
[2:03:35] detail. So, looking at in context and
[2:03:38] what Commissioner Waitman said, this is
[2:03:40] the balance. We have land use that
[2:03:42] allows 1,432 units.
[2:03:44] We've tried to balance, and I think
[2:03:45] we've achieved a very good balance
[2:03:47] between our property rights and the
[2:03:48] community that we that we exist within.
[2:03:51] County's doing 1.74 miles sidewalk on
[2:03:53] Kitten. We said, "Okay.
[2:03:55] We're going to do an enhanced pedestrian
[2:03:57] crossing to get between that sidewalk
[2:04:00] and our project um coming up through our
[2:04:02] project. We're going to do a 10-ft
[2:04:04] multi-use path all the way up through
[2:04:05] our project actually on both sides of
[2:04:07] our our spine road from Kitten to
[2:04:09] Denton. Then when we get up to Denton,
[2:04:11] another enhanced bike crossing bike ped
[2:04:13] crossing, and then you've heard um Mr.
[2:04:16] Goodmillion describe what we're doing
[2:04:17] offsite to make sure that
[2:04:20] we can get our not only our residents,
[2:04:23] our kids that are going to live in this
[2:04:24] community up to the park without having
[2:04:26] to walk in the sand and the dirt.
[2:04:28] But remember, because of the
[2:04:30] connectivity here, everybody on Kitten
[2:04:31] that now has no has no way to walk or
[2:04:33] bike to Arthur Engel Park on the north
[2:04:36] side of this project can now come up
[2:04:37] through our project on a 10-ft path,
[2:04:39] cross safely across Kitten
[2:04:42] cross Denton, and then get to the park
[2:04:45] on the 10-ft trail.
[2:04:47] Right now, the Summerchase subdivision
[2:04:49] to the east on the north side the east
[2:04:51] the very east of your of your Arthur
[2:04:52] Angle Park,
[2:04:54] they their sidewalk ends at their
[2:04:55] property line and those kids get to walk
[2:04:57] through the dirt to your to your park.
[2:04:59] We're going to hook into their existing
[2:05:00] sidewalk. So, a lot of thought went into
[2:05:03] the connectivity
[2:05:05] um both on-site and off-site.
[2:05:08] Mr. Vermillion went through the slide
[2:05:10] about the the on the north side of
[2:05:12] Denton, the the trail we're putting in.
[2:05:15] You have heard about Bolton. We were
[2:05:17] requested by the county to construct um
[2:05:21] do a development agreement with them to
[2:05:22] construct Bolton to Hicks.
[2:05:25] And we said, "Okay." And we've added
[2:05:27] that to the conditions.
[2:05:29] The project does pay mobility fees.
[2:05:32] We're going to generate about 11.4
[2:05:34] million. The commercial will also pay
[2:05:35] mobility fees. Denton Place, which
[2:05:37] you've approved with new earmarked their
[2:05:39] MPDs for improvements in this area,
[2:05:41] we're going to generate at least 7.5
[2:05:43] million. So, it's $19 million for
[2:05:45] improvements
[2:05:47] that you can make if you if you want to
[2:05:48] earmark these [snorts] mobility fees
[2:05:50] like you did for Denton Place. That's
[2:05:51] something that you could do to make sure
[2:05:52] they're used here.
[2:05:55] That's up to you all.
[2:05:57] Um
[2:05:58] What I I know that Yes.
[2:05:59] >> stop you for just a second? So,
[2:06:01] do you know what the estimated cost is
[2:06:03] of Bolton?
[2:06:05] >> I probably have one that the county
[2:06:06] engineer put together. He may know
[2:06:08] himself if he's here. He's back there,
[2:06:10] yeah. Yes, he probably has an estimate
[2:06:12] that he can answer your question, but I
[2:06:14] probably could find an email from him
[2:06:15] with an estimate for Bolton and estimate
[2:06:17] for Hicks. Been at this for 5 years, so
[2:06:20] I think I've looked at every issue um at
[2:06:22] least three times. So.
[2:06:25] >> Well, I guess I'm trying to figure out
[2:06:27] is
[2:06:28] is it
[2:06:30] possible for you all to do Hicks or is
[2:06:32] that
[2:06:33] beyond the scope of what
[2:06:35] >> We we have we have done
[2:06:38] everything for this project. Um tell you
[2:06:42] Hicks Road is in your county you should
[2:06:44] ask your county engineer what his
[2:06:45] opinion is on Hicks Road and spending
[2:06:46] money on that. He He thinks that at one
[2:06:49] point don't know speak for himself that
[2:06:50] little road has capacity. I know
[2:06:52] Commissioner Mariano disagrees with with
[2:06:54] him. I don't know what his position is
[2:06:55] on Hicks Road. Um we weren't asked by
[2:06:57] staff to consider doing Hicks Road. We
[2:06:59] were asked to do Bolton and uh from uh
[2:07:02] to Hicks Road and that's what we agreed
[2:07:04] to do
[2:07:05] um through a development agreement. We
[2:07:07] have
[2:07:08] I'm
[2:07:09] The district commissioner and the
[2:07:10] chairman we're not going to agree on
[2:07:11] everything and we know that.
[2:07:14] Um
[2:07:15] so
[2:07:16] but have we done everything reasonable
[2:07:18] and then more than reasonable with
[2:07:19] regard to this project? Yes. But what
[2:07:21] I'd like to do is I know you had
[2:07:23] specific each of you had specific
[2:07:24] comments and and the Commissioner Yeager
[2:07:26] had a couple comments one about going
[2:07:28] from 20 to 40 which the client is
[2:07:30] talking about with his engineer.
[2:07:32] Your question about
[2:07:34] What's the other question I need to look
[2:07:36] up? Trees.
[2:07:36] >> you asked oh the trees by the road.
[2:07:38] Yeah.
[2:07:39] >> Right. So I need to look that up. What
[2:07:40] I'd like to do is listen to public
[2:07:42] comment and then come back and address
[2:07:43] the comments that the commissioner made
[2:07:45] as well as the Commissioner Yeager
[2:07:46] chairman made and and kind of do it all
[2:07:49] in one
[2:07:49] >> position is that the Bolton adds to
[2:07:51] Denton because it gets you out to Little
[2:07:54] basically.
[2:07:54] >> So our project our our traffic study is
[2:07:57] based upon all of our access to Denton
[2:07:59] and our two functional access to Denton
[2:08:00] that meet the code.
[2:08:02] And it our
[2:08:04] Denton and all the segments and the
[2:08:06] intersections of Denton meet your level
[2:08:07] of service meet your code. There are no
[2:08:09] failures. They meet your code
[2:08:11] requirements. So we don't need Bolton.
[2:08:13] Bolton was a request by county staff to
[2:08:16] do an offsite infrastructure for the
[2:08:18] county.
[2:08:19] That's [snorts] what it was and we said
[2:08:21] okay.
[2:08:22] But our project is based upon our access
[2:08:24] is to Denton that meet the code our
[2:08:26] traffic analysis that meets the code,
[2:08:28] that's what our project is based upon.
[2:08:32] >> I understand, but I guess
[2:08:34] the
[2:08:37] the the question is does Bolton help the
[2:08:39] system?
[2:08:41] Is what you're building help the system?
[2:08:43] >> It's my understanding that that's why
[2:08:45] the county asked us to do it, yes.
[2:08:47] Cuz they're adding Bolton as a vision
[2:08:48] road with their 2050
[2:08:50] comp plan
[2:08:51] update.
[2:08:52] >> The question is does does building
[2:08:54] Bolton help the system if Hicks is not
[2:08:56] built is the question.
[2:08:57] >> Ask you to ask your county engineer,
[2:08:59] please.
[2:08:59] >> it does.
[2:09:00] >> So.
[2:09:00] >> Cuz it's still it's another way to get
[2:09:02] to Little Road.
[2:09:03] >> Right, cuz Little Road cuz it's
[2:09:04] >> It's not in great shape, but it gets you
[2:09:06] to Little Road, so it does definitely
[2:09:08] improve the system. And to be clear,
[2:09:10] and I hope you can maybe when you take
[2:09:12] your break find out cuz I have asked you
[2:09:13] to get Hicks Road, so it's not like you
[2:09:15] didn't even know that existed even with
[2:09:17] the other client that you have we've
[2:09:18] talked about it, so I'm sure we get some
[2:09:19] numbers we can take a look at. So, I
[2:09:21] think what he's asking you for is
[2:09:24] what's the cost of impact fees from the
[2:09:25] cost of doing Bolton with the offsite
[2:09:28] improvements for the impact fees, what's
[2:09:30] that number?
[2:09:30] >> I have the number.
[2:09:31] >> and if you have the number, I hope you
[2:09:33] do,
[2:09:34] >> I do.
[2:09:34] >> from Hicks Road to the south.
[2:09:35] >> I have the numbers from your county
[2:09:36] engineer.
[2:09:37] >> if we can look at those two, we might be
[2:09:39] able to look at how we can get those
[2:09:40] improvements done.
[2:09:41] Thank you.
[2:09:42] >> I do have the number, so I'll pull them.
[2:09:45] All right, thank you.
[2:09:50] >> Okay, now any other questions for staff
[2:09:52] at this point?
[2:09:53] >> I don't want you to yell at me. Good
[2:09:54] public comment.
[2:09:55] >> What's that?
[2:09:55] >> I don't want you to yell at me.
[2:09:57] >> [laughter]
[2:10:00] >> All right, time for public comment.
[2:10:02] >> Okay, we have nine citizens signed up,
[2:10:05] so I'm going to call three at a time to
[2:10:06] come up to the podium. Lisa Vicarious,
[2:10:11] Renee Haynes, and Nola Care LeClair.
[2:10:24] Good. afternoon, commissioners. My name
[2:10:27] is Lisa Becaris.
[2:10:29] I live I live at
[2:10:31] 10810
[2:10:34] Kitten Trail in Hudson, Florida.
[2:10:37] Which puts me right in the backyard of
[2:10:39] this proposed development.
[2:10:43] I won't stand here and repeat everything
[2:10:45] that has already been said.
[2:10:49] This community has made its concerns
[2:10:51] clear.
[2:10:52] From traffic patterns and safety to the
[2:10:55] wildlife habitat and preserving the
[2:10:57] rural character of Hudson and Pasco
[2:11:00] County.
[2:11:03] Which means that for the citizens of
[2:11:05] Pasco County, including those in this
[2:11:07] room today,
[2:11:10] the responsibility now rests squarely in
[2:11:14] your hands.
[2:11:17] You have the choice and the authority
[2:11:21] to decide what happens to our community
[2:11:23] with this project.
[2:11:26] Like many here, I have watched the
[2:11:28] natural beauty of Florida disappear at
[2:11:30] an alarming rate
[2:11:32] through the destruction of irreplaceable
[2:11:35] landscapes.
[2:11:37] By approving this project as proposed,
[2:11:40] along with the continued development
[2:11:42] throughout Pasco County,
[2:11:44] you risk selling a diamond
[2:11:48] for the price of a piece of glass.
[2:11:52] Please exercise your authority to
[2:11:54] protect our rural communities, our
[2:11:56] wildlife, and the character of this
[2:11:59] area.
[2:12:00] I respectfully ask you to vote against
[2:12:03] this rezoning.
[2:12:05] Thank you very much for your time and
[2:12:07] your consideration.
[2:12:11] Thank you.
[2:12:12] Renee Haynes.
[2:12:22] >> Good afternoon.
[2:12:24] I moved here about 25 years ago from
[2:12:26] >> Name and address.
[2:12:28] >> Oh, Renee Haynes, uh 13211 Miami Street,
[2:12:31] Hudson.
[2:12:32] >> Have you been sworn?
[2:12:33] >> And I have been sworn.
[2:12:35] I moved here about 25 years ago from
[2:12:37] what I call the concrete city or Dunedin
[2:12:40] Clearwater.
[2:12:42] And I moved into Hudson.
[2:12:44] Beautiful 5-acre lot on um Nottingham
[2:12:49] off of Hudson Avenue.
[2:12:52] We had been there maybe 2 years. A um
[2:12:55] company came in and wanted to put
[2:12:58] um houses on between Nottingham and
[2:13:03] Family Trail.
[2:13:05] One of our neighbors who was actually um
[2:13:08] an um
[2:13:09] environmental engineer
[2:13:11] came to the county um with us to fight
[2:13:15] the them building the houses.
[2:13:18] She said because of the water
[2:13:20] um
[2:13:22] the water table
[2:13:24] because we were all on wells.
[2:13:27] Now
[2:13:28] that was
[2:13:30] 20 years ago.
[2:13:32] Now that project in 2008, obviously with
[2:13:35] the um the crash, those houses never got
[2:13:39] built.
[2:13:40] Now you look at Hudson Avenue, which
[2:13:42] number one breaks my heart
[2:13:44] because all of the construction that has
[2:13:46] been going on now on Denton.
[2:13:49] My question is cuz I don't live right
[2:13:51] there, but I do live on a property with
[2:13:53] a well.
[2:13:54] And I know a lot of people in on Hicks
[2:13:58] that are all on have wells.
[2:14:01] With all this all these
[2:14:03] properties being built
[2:14:06] I understand that you have the utilities
[2:14:08] for or and you can build the utility to
[2:14:12] do um
[2:14:14] the subdivisions, but again, you're
[2:14:16] still affecting the well the wells of
[2:14:20] this area.
[2:14:22] Not to mention obviously the
[2:14:25] the animals and the land itself.
[2:14:28] I would hope that you would actually
[2:14:29] think about this. We are actually
[2:14:31] killing
[2:14:32] our land.
[2:14:35] And for one small piece of Pasco that's
[2:14:39] left
[2:14:40] because Dade City's ruined,
[2:14:42] Wesley Chapel's ruined,
[2:14:44] Trinity's ruined by all this concrete.
[2:14:49] If we can have one small section that
[2:14:52] still exist to nature.
[2:14:55] Thank you.
[2:14:57] >> All righty, next up is Lola Nola
[2:14:59] Leclaire. After that is Ken Howard,
[2:15:02] Tracy Lowe, and Sarah Gonzalez.
[2:15:05] >> Good afternoon. My name is Nola
[2:15:07] Leclaire.
[2:15:08] I live up and I've been sworn in. I live
[2:15:11] at 17700
[2:15:13] Madis Road. My husband and I built our
[2:15:16] home and 10-acre farm in 2002.
[2:15:20] Madis Road goes halfway along the east
[2:15:23] side of the proposed Dent Avenue
[2:15:26] project. Madis Road is a private road
[2:15:30] that is owned by the property owners. It
[2:15:33] is a portion of our front yards that we
[2:15:35] pay property tax on.
[2:15:38] It is not a county road to be considered
[2:15:41] as a thoroughfare
[2:15:44] now or in the future to attach to Bolton
[2:15:48] Avenue.
[2:15:49] We were informed by the county in the
[2:15:51] past that with the property owners'
[2:15:54] agreement, we could gate off our road
[2:15:57] for a gated community. We may wish to do
[2:16:00] that in the future. My husband and I
[2:16:03] currently breed foundation quarter
[2:16:06] horses. We have a large barn, 14 stalls,
[2:16:10] and grow hay.
[2:16:11] Mattis Road is a rural dirt road that is
[2:16:14] used by the property owners and their
[2:16:17] guests for riding horses. The proposed
[2:16:20] Denton Avenue project lots directly back
[2:16:23] up to our front yards.
[2:16:26] The Denton Avenue project plans do not
[2:16:29] have a security buffer,
[2:16:32] a privacy fence, and a decent-size
[2:16:35] planning
[2:16:37] area
[2:16:39] on our private road, as they should have
[2:16:42] also planned on Denton Avenue and Kitten
[2:16:45] Trail to separate the unlike properties
[2:16:48] in this area. They only provide a small
[2:16:51] buffer planning.
[2:16:53] Their small, tightly packed yards will
[2:16:56] be backing up to our front yards and our
[2:16:59] private rural horseback riding country
[2:17:02] dirt road. If for some reason there is a
[2:17:06] loophole that the county has to let the
[2:17:09] builder build with these incompatible
[2:17:11] small lots, the commissioners must be
[2:17:15] informed that the Denton Avenue project
[2:17:18] with the small lots are totally
[2:17:20] incompatible
[2:17:22] and must be informed that the Denton
[2:17:24] Avenue project with the small lots are
[2:17:28] totally incompatible and will be
[2:17:30] encroaching on a well-established
[2:17:33] 10-acre agricultural neighborhood and
[2:17:36] private Mattis Road horse trail.
[2:17:39] The intrusion is against the county
[2:17:41] regulations for construction of unlike
[2:17:44] properties due to complete
[2:17:46] incompatibility of Denton Avenue project
[2:17:50] with private Mattis Road and the 10-acre
[2:17:53] agricultural properties, the minimum of
[2:17:57] a full buffer private security wall or
[2:18:00] fence, and a just generous
[2:18:04] buffer planting should be mandatory for
[2:18:06] Madison Road. It should be mandatory to
[2:18:10] protect the integrity and value of our
[2:18:12] 10-acre properties. Thank you.
[2:18:15] >> Thank you.
[2:18:17] >> Ken Howard, after that Tracy Law, and
[2:18:20] Sarah Gonzalez.
[2:18:25] >> Let's talk about road safety. Didn't
[2:18:27] Avenue traffic fatalities
[2:18:29] >> your name and address, please?
[2:18:30] >> The what?
[2:18:31] >> Your name and address.
[2:18:32] >> Ken Howard. Address 11117
[2:18:35] Kitten Trail.
[2:18:36] >> Have you been sworn?
[2:18:38] Have you been sworn?
[2:18:39] >> Yes.
[2:18:40] >> Thank you.
[2:18:41] >> [snorts]
[2:18:41] >> Didn't Avenue traffic fatalities since
[2:18:44] 2019 seven. Kitten Trail has had nine
[2:18:47] fatalities from Hicks Road to Coyote
[2:18:49] Road.
[2:18:50] Long-term residents say there is more.
[2:18:53] Backup of traffic is most likely to
[2:18:55] occur on Didn't Avenue with the addition
[2:18:58] of 1,200 plus cars daily. The overflow
[2:19:01] will definitely come onto Kitten Trail,
[2:19:03] an already two-lane rural busy road with
[2:19:06] school traffic. Of the nine fatalities
[2:19:09] on Kitten Trail, let's not forget the
[2:19:11] school bus accident
[2:19:15] where there were students with injuries
[2:19:17] in 2019.
[2:19:19] As discussed [snorts] to open Bolton
[2:19:21] Avenue for overflow, this will take most
[2:19:23] likely years from now. Traffic will be a
[2:19:26] mess and it will all be a small relief
[2:19:29] to cause a nightmare.
[2:19:31] We are looking at a gesture of putting
[2:19:34] in a crosswalk to propose sidewalks.
[2:19:37] Some white white paint on the road with
[2:19:40] flashing light is not going to make
[2:19:41] anyone any safer.
[2:19:44] Didn't Avenue project, the west
[2:19:47] The west [clears throat] is 874 yd of
[2:19:50] passthrough land and 11 residential
[2:19:53] acres.
[2:19:54] South is 14 residential acres. East is
[2:19:58] 10 residential acres.
[2:20:00] Plus undeveloped land of 39 acres.
[2:20:03] >> [snorts]
[2:20:03] >> The difference is 35 residential
[2:20:06] properties of 2.5 acres and up affected
[2:20:11] as in comparison to other developments
[2:20:13] with five to 20 surrounding residents
[2:20:17] all various acres unlike Summer Chase of
[2:20:20] 12, Blackwell's 20, Family Trail five
[2:20:24] Palm Winds of 16, Denton Place Sagebrush
[2:20:27] of 17 the Shackelton of nine residential
[2:20:31] acres.
[2:20:32] The comparison of buffers buffers
[2:20:35] with these properties is a long shot
[2:20:37] from what trail
[2:20:39] Kitten Trail properties have to offer.
[2:20:42] The planning commissioner who suggested
[2:20:45] one-acre tracts for Denton Avenue
[2:20:46] project has seen the value of the
[2:20:50] homes affected by the project with
[2:20:53] overdevelopment and housing with small
[2:20:55] 70-ft wide lots.
[2:20:59] Losing my spot.
[2:21:01] A beaut- abutted to acreage and his
[2:21:04] woods his words estate style properties
[2:21:07] and had offered to the developers to
[2:21:09] meet with residents to solve the
[2:21:12] opposition and possibly meet in the
[2:21:14] middle.
[2:21:15] He was ignored totally and after came
[2:21:18] back with an additional 20-ft buffer.
[2:21:21] Same as before just 20 ft all they did
[2:21:24] and
[2:21:25] after came back with
[2:21:27] it was show total disrespect to the
[2:21:30] commissioner in Pasco County.
[2:21:33] When questioned why they can't go to
[2:21:35] larger perhaps one-acre tracts
[2:21:39] the response is it is too hard to sell
[2:21:41] an acre.
[2:21:43] These words his words not mine.
[2:21:46] They can make larger lots just don't
[2:21:48] have the respect for residents to do it.
[2:21:51] In addition to planning commission
[2:21:53] commission meetings commissioners were
[2:21:55] warned if they don't settle here in the
[2:21:58] meetings, we will settle it in the
[2:21:59] courts.
[2:22:00] >> You have to close your comments, sir.
[2:22:01] >> Sir?
[2:22:02] >> Your 3 minutes are up. You have to close
[2:22:03] your comments.
[2:22:04] >> I'm sorry. I have to
[2:22:05] >> You have to close your comments. 3
[2:22:07] minutes are up.
[2:22:09] >> Your time is up.
[2:22:10] >> Right.
[2:22:11] >> You can close your comments.
[2:22:12] >> Your time is up, sir. It's all done.
[2:22:14] >> You get 3 minutes to speak. Your time is
[2:22:16] up, so just wrap up your comments if you
[2:22:17] would, please.
[2:22:18] >> One little thing.
[2:22:19] >> Go ahead.
[2:22:22] >> My opinion is they have no respect for
[2:22:24] Pasco County, for its residents, the
[2:22:26] land, officials who serve our county by
[2:22:28] threatening to take it to the courts if
[2:22:31] they don't get what they want. If it
[2:22:33] comes to this, I say so be it. I am
[2:22:36] ready, willing, and able to help any
[2:22:38] attorneys.
[2:22:38] >> Thank you, sir.
[2:22:40] >> Tracy Lowe
[2:22:45] My name is Tracy Lowe. I reside at 10408
[2:22:49] Kitten Trail, and I have been sworn in.
[2:22:51] Good afternoon, commissioners.
[2:22:53] Our community, our very special
[2:22:55] community, its existing infrastructure
[2:22:58] is already failing. It's not designed to
[2:23:01] accommodate the density and the traffic
[2:23:03] this development would bring. I ask the
[2:23:05] commissioners to consider four important
[2:23:07] facts or pardon me, three important
[2:23:09] facts. First, the drone footage I
[2:23:12] emailed to you yesterday and previously
[2:23:14] provided to you
[2:23:16] September 19th, 2022, showing the
[2:23:19] dangerous congestion that already occurs
[2:23:21] at the entrances and exits of our three
[2:23:23] schools on Kitten Trail.
[2:23:26] Second, please remember the tragic death
[2:23:28] of Miles Farrago, a 15-year-old student
[2:23:31] who was struck and killed
[2:23:32] while riding his bike on Kitten Trail to
[2:23:34] school.
[2:23:35] This is not a hypothetical safety
[2:23:38] concern.
[2:23:39] This The danger is real, and we have
[2:23:42] already experienced devastating
[2:23:44] consequences.
[2:23:45] Thirdly,
[2:23:47] the 2021 timing and phasing analysis
[2:23:51] that was not included in the most
[2:23:52] updated plan.
[2:23:54] For this project, it identified roadway
[2:23:56] failure at Hicks Road and Kitten Trail
[2:24:00] with only a 2% population growth. 2%
[2:24:03] population growth.
[2:24:05] This is extremely concerning given that
[2:24:08] we in Pasco County are experiencing a
[2:24:10] much higher growth than that.
[2:24:14] The county has recognized these concerns
[2:24:15] by installing street lights, school
[2:24:17] zones, sidewalks. We appreciate those
[2:24:19] improvements,
[2:24:20] but they do not address the fundamental
[2:24:22] issue, the additional volume the traffic
[2:24:25] in this development would create.
[2:24:27] I would also like the commission to
[2:24:29] consider compatibility.
[2:24:31] There are 31 rural properties, 31,
[2:24:35] that are directly adjacent to this
[2:24:36] property in this development.
[2:24:39] Ranging from 1 to 40 acres,
[2:24:42] and it's within a community of hundreds
[2:24:45] of large multi-acre rural properties.
[2:24:49] Most importantly, Land Code Section
[2:24:51] 522.2B
[2:24:53] states that residential lots must be
[2:24:55] arranged in a context-sensitive
[2:24:57] manner to preserve the integrity of the
[2:25:01] rural community
[2:25:02] through buffering, setbacks, or a
[2:25:04] combination thereof, protecting the
[2:25:06] rural appearance from public roads and
[2:25:08] abutting properties. So, I ask you,
[2:25:12] how does placing four to six homes per
[2:25:15] acre with a 20- to 40-foot buffer that
[2:25:18] will take years, years to mature,
[2:25:22] directly next to a multi-acre rural
[2:25:24] property preserve the integrity and
[2:25:26] character of that rural community?
[2:25:28] How is that compatible?
[2:25:30] It simply does not and is not. This is
[2:25:33] not about opposing growth.
[2:25:35] It's about responsible growth, public
[2:25:37] safety, and compatibility with the
[2:25:39] community that already exist. We
[2:25:41] respectfully ask this commission to
[2:25:43] prohibit
[2:25:44] this development on Kitten prohibit all
[2:25:47] vehicular access on to Kitten Trail
[2:25:50] and also require adequate buffering and
[2:25:53] lot sizes on the peripheral to protect
[2:25:55] the integrity of our rural community.
[2:25:58] Thank you for your time and
[2:25:59] consideration.
[2:26:00] >> Thank you.
[2:26:01] >> Sarah Gonzalez, then after that Susan
[2:26:04] Bolton, Sherry Howard, and Rebecca Feth.
[2:26:08] >> My name is Sarah Gonzalez. I'm been
[2:26:10] sworn in. I live at 16677
[2:26:13] Albright Road, Spring Hill.
[2:26:16] And I'm here um
[2:26:18] because the infrastructure is not
[2:26:19] supporting this, okay? We have all those
[2:26:21] homes going on the north side of Denton
[2:26:24] at Denton and Hicks.
[2:26:25] Okay, all that traffic's going to flow
[2:26:27] out. Now, they're speaking about this
[2:26:28] lawyer over here how they're going to do
[2:26:31] up Bolton up to Hicks, but they don't
[2:26:33] want to bring Hicks in. Well, what
[2:26:34] happens from that last division of Hicks
[2:26:37] to Little Road? Have you ever driven
[2:26:40] down just that one block? It's big
[2:26:42] potholes. So, there they're going to
[2:26:43] come up to Hicks with Bolton.
[2:26:46] Okay, but they're not going to do
[2:26:47] anything else. Another thing is is
[2:26:50] there's no infrastructure for this.
[2:26:52] There's a lot of us that are on wells as
[2:26:54] these people that are backed right up to
[2:26:55] this community have to worry about. I'm
[2:26:57] a little further away. However, again,
[2:27:00] all these places on Denton Road on the
[2:27:02] north side, they're got county water
[2:27:04] coming to them.
[2:27:05] Denton Road is completely county water.
[2:27:08] They have it all in there. Kitten Trail?
[2:27:10] None, okay? None. So, that 14.5, that
[2:27:13] lady's fighting to get just it split.
[2:27:16] There's 300 you guys are fighting for
[2:27:17] right now in Denton and Kitten combined.
[2:27:20] Now, understanding that the north side
[2:27:22] is also combined with this. So, the
[2:27:23] lawyers of the builders can sue all they
[2:27:25] want and have all the money to support
[2:27:28] that. However, all these beautiful
[2:27:29] sidewalks are great. I have a friend
[2:27:31] that got hit on Kitten Trail. I mean,
[2:27:33] excuse me, Denton. Middle of the night,
[2:27:35] dark as heck. Since I've lived there for
[2:27:37] 9 years, some other kids got killed out
[2:27:40] there. They hit that divider, ended up
[2:27:41] in that field, dead. Okay, so the
[2:27:44] support of these roadways is not going
[2:27:46] to happen. You've got two lane roadways.
[2:27:49] They think the end
[2:27:50] improvement of that east
[2:27:53] east road corner right there, it's a
[2:27:55] mess right now, okay? Adding that turn
[2:27:57] lane in may help, but it's not going to
[2:28:00] resolve it. It is not going to resolve
[2:28:02] it. My friend got hit in the middle of
[2:28:04] the night so bad that the guy did not
[2:28:06] even know he hit her. He hit her again,
[2:28:08] thought it was a deer.
[2:28:10] Okay, so we're going to feed in this
[2:28:12] community you guys want to put there,
[2:28:14] and plus you want to put construction,
[2:28:16] commercial in there. Okay, so what are
[2:28:18] we going to look like down at Hudson and
[2:28:21] Hayes Road, and have these big rigs or
[2:28:25] commercial buildings that are going to
[2:28:27] be in there, as well as another 800 and
[2:28:29] something homes in there? Again, you
[2:28:32] guys are going to bring that county
[2:28:33] water in, but what's going to support
[2:28:35] the rest of our wells that are going to
[2:28:37] get affected? I'm a little further out
[2:28:39] than them. But again, it's all I'm up in
[2:28:41] Shady Hills, we're getting hammered.
[2:28:44] Again, they stated we're the last little
[2:28:46] rural area of Pasco.
[2:28:49] Why can you guys not try to protect some
[2:28:52] of our area? We need our land. We need
[2:28:55] the aquifers that can replenish. We need
[2:28:57] the wildlife. We need to be able to farm
[2:28:59] our own food. Pretty soon we're not
[2:29:01] going to have any land to be able to
[2:29:03] provide ourselves. It's data center,
[2:29:05] solar,
[2:29:06] um you know, development, houses, uh
[2:29:09] commercial, commercial, cement, cement,
[2:29:11] cement. Cement just brings heat. It
[2:29:15] doesn't help to anything. So, I'm asking
[2:29:19] the commissioners to re-look at this,
[2:29:21] and I know I'm up, but I am asking you
[2:29:23] to reconsider the development going
[2:29:26] here. I understand that the builders are
[2:29:28] very prominent with their lawsuits and
[2:29:30] their funds and their money that back
[2:29:32] them.
[2:29:33] However, this is our last little rural
[2:29:35] area. They're not bringing any proposal
[2:29:38] to widen the roads more than two lanes.
[2:29:42] Yeah, they're going to develop part of
[2:29:43] Bolton.
[2:29:44] >> 3 minutes. We got to stop.
[2:29:45] >> Thank you, but I'm asking you to
[2:29:46] reconsider it.
[2:29:47] >> Susan Bolton
[2:29:51] and then Sherry Howard.
[2:30:00] >> My name is Susan Bolton. I live at 10923
[2:30:03] Kitten Trail.
[2:30:05] I have a few concerns.
[2:30:07] >> been sworn?
[2:30:08] >> Yes, I was. Thank you.
[2:30:10] Um
[2:30:12] First of all, in '96, my husband and I
[2:30:15] bought this
[2:30:16] between 3 and 4 acre
[2:30:21] and 9 years later, we put a new home in
[2:30:24] and
[2:30:26] we had to remove the old residence
[2:30:29] before we would
[2:30:30] be able to get the
[2:30:32] um CO
[2:30:33] because of the fact that at that time
[2:30:35] you had to have at least 2 acres
[2:30:37] per resident and we would have only had
[2:30:39] [clears throat]
[2:30:41] um less than another acre
[2:30:45] in order to have the second home there.
[2:30:48] Um
[2:30:50] the traffic is absolutely unbelievable
[2:30:52] there.
[2:30:53] I have had many times where I was
[2:30:57] getting ready to turn left into my
[2:30:59] driveway and the cars went around me and
[2:31:00] went between my mailbox and my fence.
[2:31:04] Um right where my property is is I'm
[2:31:07] very low. We've had 11 inches of rain in
[2:31:09] the last week and yesterday I still had
[2:31:12] standing water from the 11 inches of
[2:31:15] rain.
[2:31:16] What's going to happen when that's all
[2:31:17] cemented in up there
[2:31:19] and I'm in a low place?
[2:31:22] I know,
[2:31:23] will the water go away?
[2:31:26] Um
[2:31:27] >> [clears throat]
[2:31:30] >> Uh
[2:31:30] other than that, all I can say is
[2:31:33] there's just too much traffic. I work
[2:31:35] for the schools, so I know
[2:31:38] how much traffic goes in and out of
[2:31:39] there as far as
[2:31:41] transportation goes.
[2:31:43] Thank you for listening to our
[2:31:45] complaints today.
[2:31:46] Please consider keeping us rural. Thank
[2:31:49] you.
[2:31:50] >> Thank you.
[2:31:50] >> Next is Sherry Howard, and then it's
[2:31:53] Rebecca Taft.
[2:32:00] >> My name is Sherry Howard. I live at
[2:32:01] 11117 Kitten Trail, and I was born in
[2:32:06] So, Tracy just spoke about um zoning
[2:32:09] stand section 522.2.
[2:32:11] I don't know if I need to read this to
[2:32:13] you.
[2:32:15] I believe I can just skip to the most
[2:32:18] important.
[2:32:20] Um
[2:32:23] In addition to comprehensive plan,
[2:32:26] the location of residential development
[2:32:29] lot shall be arranged in a
[2:32:31] context-sensitive manner such as they
[2:32:34] preserve the integrity of the rural
[2:32:35] community by buffering setbacks or a
[2:32:38] combination thereof to protect and
[2:32:40] preserve the rural appearance of land
[2:32:43] when viewed from public roads and
[2:32:45] abutting properties.
[2:32:48] I'm an abutting property.
[2:32:51] Current site plan
[2:32:55] sets a 40-ft buffer
[2:32:57] on properties on Kitten Trail and a
[2:32:59] 20-ft buffer for Madison Dennis and a
[2:33:02] private road off of Kitten Trail.
[2:33:06] Trail Kitten Trail properties range from
[2:33:08] 2 and 1/2 to 18 acres. Dennis is
[2:33:12] nearly an acre to 4 acres, and Madison
[2:33:14] Farms are 10 acres.
[2:33:17] Private roads off of Kitten is 3.9 to 30
[2:33:21] acres.
[2:33:22] Personally, we have two and a half
[2:33:24] nearly two and a half acres.
[2:33:26] Well, we have 185 ft that abuts the
[2:33:28] developer's property.
[2:33:30] With the current site plan, we would
[2:33:32] have two and a half houses across the
[2:33:34] back of our property.
[2:33:36] Now, even with a 40-ft buffer and a
[2:33:40] bright white plastic fence
[2:33:42] and all of the shrubbery they're talking
[2:33:45] about putting in, which
[2:33:48] will reach maturity at like 15 years,
[2:33:51] um I still get two and a half houses in
[2:33:53] my backyard.
[2:33:55] I asked how does
[2:33:56] does this preserve
[2:33:59] our rural community?
[2:34:01] I believe a 40-ft buffer and minimum of
[2:34:04] 1-acre lots around the perimeter
[2:34:07] would better help preserve this rural
[2:34:10] community.
[2:34:11] Thank you for your consideration.
[2:34:14] >> Thank you.
[2:34:15] >> Rebecca Tefft?
[2:34:24] >> Hello. I I've been sworn. Rebecca Tefft,
[2:34:27] 6155 Missouri Avenue. [clears throat]
[2:34:30] Um as I hear these people talk about
[2:34:33] being directly related, my
[2:34:35] heart goes out to them. But I am here to
[2:34:37] talk about the letter
[2:34:40] um from the Water Resource Association
[2:34:44] dated April 21st, 2021.
[2:34:49] Can you guys
[2:34:50] have that while I speak? This is about
[2:34:54] the environmental protection and what
[2:34:56] they're going to do with all the
[2:34:57] wildlife that they will destroy, what
[2:35:00] they're going to do with the gopher
[2:35:01] tortoise, the indigo snake, the key
[2:35:03] stole, the bald eagle, the sandhill
[2:35:05] crane. It is rich in in threatened,
[2:35:09] protected, and endangered species there.
[2:35:13] They it and it talks about what the
[2:35:16] federal the Florida Wildlife Commission
[2:35:19] has all these regulations on how you
[2:35:21] move a tortoise and how you have to
[2:35:24] build its home and where you put it and
[2:35:27] someone has to watch it for 2 years to
[2:35:29] make sure it survives. Now, I don't see
[2:35:32] anything if there was an update that
[2:35:35] says who's going to do that and
[2:35:37] otherwise they can pay half a million
[2:35:39] dollars and destroy
[2:35:43] destroy animals that some
[2:35:45] some are critically endangered. You
[2:35:48] know, they're not only threatened and
[2:35:49] then the more that we develop, the more
[2:35:52] threatened they will become and this is
[2:35:54] part of why we love Florida. You know,
[2:35:58] this is part
[2:36:00] these are jewels and treasures. You
[2:36:02] know, they're also Magnolia, the
[2:36:04] southern Magnolia, the live oak tree.
[2:36:07] And I don't see anything where they said
[2:36:09] how big they are, which ones they're
[2:36:11] going to leave, which ones they're going
[2:36:13] to destroy.
[2:36:14] Did they do this grading after this
[2:36:16] report?
[2:36:19] If they did, they've already destroyed a
[2:36:22] number of gopher tortoise burrow.
[2:36:25] So, I don't see an update. If there is
[2:36:28] one, I just would like you to take a
[2:36:30] look at that. I would like us in the
[2:36:33] future to consider, you know, you could
[2:36:35] go into a an area and and build around
[2:36:39] existing trees. You you can do that
[2:36:43] without just like tearing everything
[2:36:45] down and actually have it pretty from
[2:36:47] the start instead of having to wait 30
[2:36:50] years before it can be attractive again.
[2:36:53] So, that's all I got to say. Thank you
[2:36:55] very much. Good luck.
[2:36:59] >> And this is the last person signed up?
[2:37:01] >> Where did they sign up at?
[2:37:02] >> Is there anyone else who like to speak
[2:37:02] the same? Please come forward.
[2:37:05] And is there anyone else after this lady
[2:37:06] who would like to speak? Please come
[2:37:08] forward.
[2:37:09] >> Hi, my name is Ann Atkinson. I live at
[2:37:10] 11439 Kitten Trail. I have been sworn
[2:37:13] in.
[2:37:14] I'm one of the many property owners
[2:37:16] directly affected by the decision you'll
[2:37:18] make today.
[2:37:19] Please consider the following.
[2:37:21] In addition to the 522.2 that were
[2:37:24] spoken about earlier, I also wanted to
[2:37:26] add in add in the land code 522.4.
[2:37:31] Says land uses near the periphery of the
[2:37:34] IMPUD, the EC IMPUD, or the commercial
[2:37:36] IMPUD shall be planned so as to be
[2:37:38] compatible with neighboring areas.
[2:37:40] Compatibility may be achieved through
[2:37:42] design that respects
[2:37:44] the context of the adjacent uses.
[2:37:48] These are statements that are supposed
[2:37:49] to be protecting the surrounding
[2:37:51] properties with an appropriate
[2:37:52] transition when blending densities.
[2:37:55] The Denton Avenue project continues to
[2:37:57] ignore the lot sizing aspect of
[2:37:59] appropriate transition.
[2:38:01] They are only providing a buffer zone
[2:38:03] that does not provide 100% opacity until
[2:38:05] the trees are mature,
[2:38:08] which takes [clears throat] years and
[2:38:08] years, that's if they survive.
[2:38:12] The Denton Avenue project needs to be
[2:38:14] made to provide an appropriate
[2:38:15] transition that includes lot sizes that
[2:38:17] blend with the existing lot sizes around
[2:38:20] the perimeter.
[2:38:21] The general standards of compatibility
[2:38:24] of use guidelines state this clearly.
[2:38:26] The definition of compatibility per the
[2:38:28] Oxford Languages is a state in which two
[2:38:31] things are able to exist or occur
[2:38:33] together
[2:38:35] without problems or conflict.
[2:38:37] We are not there yet.
[2:38:40] We can only get there with a no vote by
[2:38:42] you and you demanding the developer to
[2:38:44] redesign the peripheral lot sizes
[2:38:46] to meet the goals of preserving the
[2:38:48] integrity of the rural community and to
[2:38:50] be compatible with design that respects
[2:38:53] the context of the adjacent uses.
[2:38:55] We've asked this of the developer from
[2:38:57] the beginning at each neighborhood
[2:38:59] meeting and over and over at the
[2:39:01] planning and zoning meetings.
[2:39:02] Still, there are no changes.
[2:39:05] I've been a real estate agent for more
[2:39:06] than 25 years. There are plenty of
[2:39:09] buyers looking for homes with land.
[2:39:12] There are builders that will purchase
[2:39:14] lots bigger than 70 by 120.
[2:39:18] The Denton Avenue project has options to
[2:39:19] fulfill their profit needs.
[2:39:22] So, I'm [clears throat] asking you to
[2:39:23] vote no on the plan presented today.
[2:39:25] Please demand the developer to go back
[2:39:27] and make the lot sizes at least an acre
[2:39:30] each on the perimeter.
[2:39:32] This would be an appropriate transition.
[2:39:35] The decision you make today is a
[2:39:38] a decision that affects all of us
[2:39:40] daily, forever.
[2:39:43] Thank you.
[2:39:53] >> Good afternoon.
[2:39:55] Skyler Talley, I reside at 10929 Kitten
[2:39:58] Trail. My property's uh
[2:39:59] >> Have you been sworn?
[2:40:00] >> Uh I have not been sworn.
[2:40:01] >> Okay. Raise your right hand for me,
[2:40:03] please.
[2:40:03] >> I can do that.
[2:40:04] >> Do you swear affirm the testimony you
[2:40:06] are about to give is the truth, so help
[2:40:08] you God?
[2:40:08] >> Absolutely.
[2:40:11] My property's adjacent on the
[2:40:15] uh southwestern
[2:40:16] western
[2:40:18] I haven't got a lot saved. Southwestern
[2:40:20] corner
[2:40:21] over there. I got 2 and 1/2 acres.
[2:40:23] Um
[2:40:25] you know, I've been to enough of these
[2:40:26] meetings. I understand the property
[2:40:29] owners' rights to develop are really
[2:40:32] important to commission, to county, and
[2:40:35] to me, I think I want to be able to
[2:40:36] develop my property the way I want to,
[2:40:38] as well.
[2:40:39] Uh we talk a lot about the preserving
[2:40:42] the rural community and
[2:40:45] transition. I mean,
[2:40:47] nobody can look at 2 and 1/2 acres
[2:40:50] as an average bordering this property
[2:40:53] and think that putting three houses per
[2:40:56] acre
[2:40:57] is a transition.
[2:40:59] It It just doesn't doesn't mesh. It
[2:41:01] doesn't make sense.
[2:41:03] And
[2:41:04] I know the development's going to
[2:41:06] happen, but I also don't think it's
[2:41:07] unreasonable
[2:41:09] to ask for an easier transition
[2:41:12] for all the existing community that has
[2:41:16] large lots, that has this rural
[2:41:19] lifestyle.
[2:41:21] And then inside the community, they can
[2:41:23] put the small lots because the people
[2:41:25] who are moving in already know
[2:41:27] what they're dealing with. They already
[2:41:28] know what they're coming into. They
[2:41:29] already have to deal with that.
[2:41:31] But then we have a transition from rural
[2:41:35] community into this massive development
[2:41:39] that is going to
[2:41:41] probably quadruplicate the amount of
[2:41:45] community members in a small area.
[2:41:48] That's it's a lot.
[2:41:50] Um beyond that, there's been a lot of
[2:41:53] talk about the infrastructure.
[2:41:55] I mean, the infrastructure on Let's just
[2:41:56] talk about Denton. Forget about Bolton.
[2:41:59] Bolton's a Bolton's a mess.
[2:42:01] Bolton trying to connect Hicks. Bolton
[2:42:03] can go across and go back to the dirt
[2:42:04] road and that dirt road is
[2:42:06] not good. It's nowhere that I would want
[2:42:08] to drive down every day.
[2:42:10] But
[2:42:11] if Hicks isn't going to connect, even if
[2:42:13] it does, we're going to go Hicks to
[2:42:14] Bolton. Denton is terrible.
[2:42:17] Denton is unsafe road. There's not
[2:42:19] enough
[2:42:22] planning
[2:42:23] and development in that area to support
[2:42:25] a community this size yet.
[2:42:28] And I'm not saying there won't be.
[2:42:30] But to try and put something in
[2:42:33] of this scale without that kind of
[2:42:37] planning done by the county, done by the
[2:42:40] city,
[2:42:41] planning done by the
[2:42:43] people who have to think about the
[2:42:44] safety
[2:42:46] of the community,
[2:42:48] it just
[2:42:49] doesn't work.
[2:42:51] And I ask that these things be
[2:42:54] considered.
[2:42:55] And
[2:42:58] that's about all I can really ask of you
[2:43:00] guys. But thank you so much for your
[2:43:01] time and listening to what I had to say.
[2:43:03] >> Thank you.
[2:43:08] >> See one more speaker coming up. Is
[2:43:09] anyone else, please get behind the
[2:43:10] speaker?
[2:43:12] And then we're going to go close public
[2:43:13] comment or go to online. Anyone online?
[2:43:15] >> There's no one online.
[2:43:16] >> Okay.
[2:43:17] So if there's no one else after this
[2:43:18] gentleman, we're going to close public
[2:43:19] comment.
[2:43:22] >> Good afternoon. Tim Lowe, 10408
[2:43:25] uh Kitten Trail. Commission chairman,
[2:43:27] thank you for the opportunity to speak
[2:43:28] today.
[2:43:29] >> Yes, ma'am. I have been sworn.
[2:43:30] >> Thank you.
[2:43:31] >> Uh
[2:43:31] two concerns I'd like to bring up,
[2:43:33] traffic and compatibility.
[2:43:35] I know we've spoke about both of these
[2:43:37] at length. The traffic um we believe is
[2:43:40] real. I've lived off Kitten Trail for 26
[2:43:43] years now.
[2:43:44] And
[2:43:45] it's grown year after year. It's going
[2:43:47] to continue to grow.
[2:43:48] Uh my big concern is the traffic study
[2:43:50] that was done 4 years ago is out of date
[2:43:53] and did not take in consideration the um
[2:43:56] Denton Place project or other large
[2:43:59] projects that have been either approved
[2:44:01] or completed since then.
[2:44:03] I would like to ask the uh board to
[2:44:05] request a updated traffic study so we
[2:44:08] can have a more realistic view of of
[2:44:10] what can be handled by the
[2:44:12] infrastructure in that area.
[2:44:14] Um compatibility, I think if we look at
[2:44:17] the context map over here, the big red
[2:44:20] square speaks for itself.
[2:44:22] Um anybody can look at that and realize
[2:44:24] how incompatible that is with our rural
[2:44:27] area.
[2:44:28] All of the properties surrounding it and
[2:44:30] in that general area of that aerial are
[2:44:33] 1 to 40 acres, let's say.
[2:44:37] So
[2:44:39] not I don't believe there's a buffer
[2:44:41] large enough that's going to
[2:44:43] create a applicable um transition from a
[2:44:48] 40-ft, 50-ft, 70-ft lot to a multi-acre
[2:44:52] property.
[2:44:54] Some of the surrounding properties,
[2:44:56] whether they be 2 acres all the way up
[2:44:58] to 30 acres,
[2:45:00] um to give you some context, I guess, of
[2:45:02] the density that uh is before you today,
[2:45:06] if you own a 5-acre parcel on the
[2:45:08] perimeter, you could fit 37 of these
[2:45:12] proposed lots on your 5-acre parcel.
[2:45:16] If you had a 10-acre parcel, you could
[2:45:17] just double that number. It's It's easy
[2:45:19] math. Um
[2:45:20] not not compatible
[2:45:22] in the least. So,
[2:45:24] we would like to ask the board um to
[2:45:27] request a better transition
[2:45:29] between this project and the surrounding
[2:45:31] area, just like the planning commission
[2:45:33] attempted to do.
[2:45:35] The planning commission spoke that they
[2:45:37] would not approve this project with the
[2:45:40] lot sizes as proposed and requested the
[2:45:44] applicant to come back with 1-acre uh
[2:45:46] perimeter lots.
[2:45:48] The applicant came back, did not change
[2:45:50] the size of the lots,
[2:45:52] and it was recommended for approval in
[2:45:56] fear of a lawsuit.
[2:45:58] So,
[2:45:59] we just we want the board to listen to
[2:46:02] the residents. Let's Let's try to get a
[2:46:05] better buffer, at least in larger lots,
[2:46:08] and ensure that the infrastructure's in
[2:46:11] place to receive the traffic.
[2:46:14] Thank you for your time.
[2:46:15] >> Thank you.
[2:46:17] All right, that should close public
[2:46:18] comment. I'll bring the applicant
[2:46:20] >> back up.
[2:46:25] >> Thank you, commissioners. Barbara
[2:46:26] Wilhite, 6327 Grand Boulevard.
[2:46:32] Commissioner Yeager,
[2:46:34] so condition 15 reads,
[2:46:36] "Each single-family detached lot shall
[2:46:38] have a minimum of two shade trees,
[2:46:42] one of which has to be in the front yard
[2:46:43] and can be either a street tree or a lot
[2:46:45] tree." So, we have to have at least
[2:46:47] shade tree in our front yard. We can
[2:46:49] either do it in the street or in our
[2:46:51] lot.
[2:46:52] >> Okay.
[2:46:52] >> And then we have to have a second shade
[2:46:53] tree as well, which we can have on the
[2:46:54] side or the back.
[2:46:55] >> Okay, great question. Um, to answer this
[2:46:58] gentleman's um,
[2:46:59] question, has there been an updated
[2:47:01] traffic study?
[2:47:02] >> Yes. I'm not sure why they're referring
[2:47:04] to the 2021 traffic study. We did update
[2:47:06] it. Um, Mike Grayzer can go over that
[2:47:08] with you and we'll bring him up. Um, we
[2:47:10] updated it when we changed because we
[2:47:12] had a different project in 2021. We had
[2:47:15] access to Kitten. We took the access
[2:47:16] away from Kitten. We had different um,
[2:47:19] number of units. We had 1632 versus 832.
[2:47:23] So, yes, we did an updated traffic
[2:47:24] study. Um, it's in the record. It's in
[2:47:27] you It's in the uh,
[2:47:29] agenda documents that the staff
[2:47:30] provided.
[2:47:33] So, but that's the tree answer.
[2:47:34] Um,
[2:47:35] >> What what year was the study done then?
[2:47:37] >> 2025. Yeah, 2025.
[2:47:40] I think it's December 2025. Yeah. I just
[2:47:42] looked at the other yesterday.
[2:47:44] >> Councilwoman
[2:47:45] >> Uh, Miss Miss Watt, follow up on the
[2:47:46] traffic study. So,
[2:47:48] current today,
[2:47:51] the current land use today allows 1,462
[2:47:54] homes to be built.
[2:47:56] Today.
[2:47:57] Without us
[2:47:59] coming back in and
[2:48:00] >> That's the land use. You know, obviously
[2:48:02] that's the land use. So, you have to
[2:48:03] zone.
[2:48:03] >> Correct.
[2:48:04] >> We're zoning and land use, but yes,
[2:48:05] that's what
[2:48:05] >> So, based on the land use value of this
[2:48:08] property,
[2:48:09] 1,462 homes can be built.
[2:48:12] You all are proposing
[2:48:15] 832 homes to be built, 630 less than
[2:48:19] what your future land use recommends.
[2:48:21] So, is your traffic study going to be
[2:48:23] based upon
[2:48:25] the 1,462
[2:48:26] units based on your existing land use
[2:48:29] today, or is it based upon the 832
[2:48:33] units that you're proposing
[2:48:35] >> today is based upon the 832 units plus
[2:48:37] the industrial and commercial.
[2:48:39] >> Okay.
[2:48:47] >> Good. Good evening.
[2:48:48] >> So, I can I can go through You've heard
[2:48:51] quite a few comments over and over and
[2:48:52] over. You heard about rural rural rural.
[2:48:54] There were four You know this. There
[2:48:56] were four rural areas in this county.
[2:48:58] The Board of County Commissioners,
[2:48:59] including you, Chairman Mariano,
[2:49:01] specifically put policies into the
[2:49:03] comprehensive plan in 2006 to define the
[2:49:06] rural areas and give special
[2:49:07] protections. The reason why this
[2:49:10] property was not included in the
[2:49:11] property surrounding it because since
[2:49:13] 1989 there was a res three land uses,
[2:49:16] which are not rural. All of our
[2:49:17] surrounding properties have res three
[2:49:19] land uses. We have res six and res three
[2:49:22] um land uses. So, it's absolutely not a
[2:49:25] rural area. We have res six land use.
[2:49:27] Your land use that you put on the
[2:49:28] property.
[2:49:30] The um
[2:49:33] Mattis Road I I heard the neighbor. I
[2:49:36] haven't heard that neighbor speak before
[2:49:38] in our meetings, but um Mattis Road is a
[2:49:41] county road pursuant to their records.
[2:49:43] It's a county maintained road pursuant
[2:49:45] to their records.
[2:49:46] But, I did listen and one of the things
[2:49:48] that property owner asked for was a full
[2:49:50] fence and buffer plan.
[2:49:52] We did that.
[2:49:54] The um
[2:49:56] We did that in between our third and
[2:49:58] fourth meeting is what we did cuz we
[2:49:59] listened to those same comments.
[2:50:02] The 22 drone fronted footage I'm
[2:50:04] familiar with that that um footage taken
[2:50:07] on Friday, August 12th, 2022. Uh the
[2:50:10] first day of school that year was August
[2:50:11] 10th uh 10th, 2022. So, it was the
[2:50:13] second day of school that year.
[2:50:15] We saw that. We heard all the comments
[2:50:17] in 2022, read the 100 pages of comments
[2:50:20] regarding our project and what we
[2:50:21] proposed at that time, including access
[2:50:23] to Kitten Road Kitten Trail.
[2:50:25] Um what's interesting is what we did
[2:50:26] after 2022 and listening to that
[2:50:29] comment, we went to the school board and
[2:50:30] we said, "Tell us if our kids will be
[2:50:32] bused."
[2:50:34] And and
[2:50:37] on February 24th, 2023, Christopher
[2:50:40] Williams responded
[2:50:42] the kids from this school this project
[2:50:44] will be bused. So, we didn't ignore that
[2:50:45] comment. We didn't ignore that
[2:50:47] drone footage. We confirmed that our
[2:50:49] children will be bused.
[2:50:53] You heard
[2:50:54] a lot of testimony about compatibility.
[2:50:56] Well, I wouldn't call it testimony,
[2:50:58] comment about compatibility
[2:51:00] and blending of densities, Commissioner
[2:51:03] Oakley.
[2:51:04] Oh, did you
[2:51:05] I didn't want to keep talking when you
[2:51:06] wanted to talk, sorry.
[2:51:08] >> Well,
[2:51:09] your talking is fine, but
[2:51:11] the fact of it is, the entire time
[2:51:13] you've been presenting this for your
[2:51:14] clients,
[2:51:16] every time they were asked to do
[2:51:17] something,
[2:51:19] they've actually done it.
[2:51:21] They've come back and made the changes
[2:51:23] time and time again.
[2:51:25] And you've got a beautiful project.
[2:51:28] But, we keep going on about it, but it's
[2:51:31] the fact of it is,
[2:51:33] they have met exactly what they've been
[2:51:35] asked for by the community around them
[2:51:38] to do, and they've been doing it every
[2:51:40] time.
[2:51:42] >> Thank you. I
[2:51:43] I'm personally invested in that for all
[2:51:44] these years,
[2:51:46] and and proud to present this to you
[2:51:48] because of the work that we have done.
[2:51:50] Um, you've heard about 522.2b
[2:51:53] um, of the code. That is a code
[2:51:55] provision that deals with blending of
[2:51:56] densities.
[2:51:58] As I tried to explain, I'm surprised
[2:51:59] it's still being cited to you. We are
[2:52:01] not blending densities under the code,
[2:52:03] under the comp plan or the code.
[2:52:05] We took our res three, and said this is
[2:52:07] our maximum density of three units per
[2:52:08] acre,
[2:52:09] and we came in under that density for
[2:52:11] the res three area. We took our six, and
[2:52:13] went with our maximum allowed at six,
[2:52:15] and we came in under that density. We
[2:52:16] are not blending densities. I know
[2:52:18] people like to cherry-pick language out
[2:52:19] of your code and your comp plan, it
[2:52:20] happens all the time. Um, but you
[2:52:23] actually have to read the code.
[2:52:24] With regard to um, compatibility,
[2:52:29] we after planning commission, the first
[2:52:31] planning commission hearing, which I
[2:52:32] continued
[2:52:33] cuz I wanted I listened to the
[2:52:35] commentary and listened to concerns. We
[2:52:36] went in and did a consistency analysis.
[2:52:38] We took all of your projects in the area
[2:52:41] that the board had approved and saw what
[2:52:42] the compatibility was. What's the What's
[2:52:44] the lot size next door? What's the lot
[2:52:46] sizes being proposed that were approved?
[2:52:48] What's the buffers? And we went project
[2:52:50] by project in this area and showed that
[2:52:53] we are absolutely meeting and exceeding
[2:52:56] any compatibility requirement and and
[2:52:58] approval that you've done in this area
[2:53:00] before.
[2:53:01] Um
[2:53:02] we have So, that's what the difference
[2:53:04] was with Planning Commission. I wasn't I
[2:53:07] didn't threaten a lawsuit. Never I don't
[2:53:09] think you've ever seen me threaten a
[2:53:09] lawsuit in my life. Um
[2:53:12] been working with the county for 31
[2:53:14] years. Never threatened a lawsuit, so
[2:53:16] that wasn't it. We went through and
[2:53:17] showed what compatibility means under
[2:53:19] your code, under your comp plan, and
[2:53:21] with regard to your approvals. Um
[2:53:25] I can show you what compatibility means.
[2:53:29] Summer Chase has 60-ft lots up to our
[2:53:32] northeast.
[2:53:33] Um they have LDC compliant buffers and
[2:53:36] they're compatible with 12.92 acres,
[2:53:39] 6.51 acres. I mean, I could go on and on
[2:53:41] and on about compatibility. I feel very
[2:53:43] strongly that we've We could have We
[2:53:45] could have looked at these examples and

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